re: The 3 reasons progressives should realize transgenderism is illogical (even to them)

About the soccer event if someone wants to chop their dick off then it should be when they're 18+. Having a parent make that decision for a kid should be a crime and is disgusting.

I've never seen a group of people more obsessed with this topic than y'all.

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Why does your kid have a right to be comfortable in the bathroom while my child does not?

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Couldnt that argument go both ways?

I don't think women should do infantry either, you may be alluding to that with sports. They can do most other jobs as good but when push comes to shove women aren't going to hold up in a close quarters fight.

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in 2007, in the US, only 27 percent of Muslims thought homosexuality should be accepted by society. for white evangelical Christians, the number was even lower, 23 percent.

today, 52 percent of Muslims say homosexuality should be accepted by society, an improvement of 25 percent.

for white evangelical Christians, it's only gone up 11 percent, from 23 percent to 34.

only 28 percent of evangelicals support gay marriage. 42 percent of muslims do.

so, congratulations. in the US, Muslims are not only more tolerant than most of the people on this board, but theyre more tolerant by a large degree.

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How many of those white evangelical Christians want to toss gay people off of buildings?

With the exception of the WBC I dont know of any.

Glad to see some more progressive and/or liberal posters chiming in.

Happy to address the concerns.

First off, do NOT try to play the "conservatives are obsessed with transgenderism" card. It used to be that I couldn't care less about transgenderism, and I can say that with 100% sincerity. If I saw or read something about a transgender person, I would just think that person had some mental issues, and go on with my day. No no, it's the progressive ideological blitzkrieg that has gotten me off the sidelines.

Conservatives are obsessed with transgenderism? Nuh uh. Progressives got gay marriage and before you could turn around they were in America's collective face clamoring for "transgender rights." Conservatives are responding to the progressive's transgender obsession. Any denial of that is utterly laughable.

It's obvious what progressives are trying to do with this tactic. They want to act like they are "in neutral" and that this whole transgender movement is just the natural course of human events which conservatives are randomly opposing all of a sudden. It's progressives who have started this. Now they're just surprised to learn that other people don't think like they do, and try to deflect by saying it's conservatives that are obsessed with it.

Then there are the progressives/liberals who like to act like libertarians and flip the script on conservatives. I.e. "I don't care what other people do with their lives, and you shouldn't either." Yeah, I agree with that. Here's the problem, individuals in a society are NOT isolated actors, and progressives should know that better than anyone. Transgenderism doesn't affect other people? Tell that to the ACTUAL girls in this pic:



And yeah, you do care what other people do with their lives, even when it doesn't affect you. Apparently, you care enough to respond to a message board post about how I THINK.

Lastly, I understand that not all progressives and liberals think alike, and that they may have differing opinions on things. But the general message coming from the progressive camp is that they are "all in" on transgenderism, to the point of celebrating 6-year-olds making these potentially forever life-altering decisions.

If you don't think that represents you, then speak out about it. I have yet to see a single liberal or progressive (please link if you know of one) who has said something reasonable like "I'm OK with transgenderism, but I think it's irresponsible for parents to be pushing transgenderism on their kid before they've reached puberty."

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Gender is a made up term which by definition is what a person feels like they are. So a person's gender can change based on that person's feelings

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Isn't this what his first question speaks to? If your biological sex is male, how can you know what it is to "feel" like a female?

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i mean honestly I admit I wouldn't know what it feels like to be the opposite sex, I just don't understand it personally. However, from patient's I've talked to they have told me that they just didn't feel right with who they were born, and many of them felt more natural and felt more whole when they began to identify as the opposite gender. That's the best answer I can give you.

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Moreover, if gender is a social construct, then what characteristics define a particular "gender"?

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I don't think there are hard and fast rules of what defines gender. There is no organization which lays out the rules or definition of that.

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Do you have to wear a dress to be of the "female" gender? Or can you (a biological male) have a beard, wear jeans and a button down oxford, but still be of the "female" gender? Can females who feel like females but wear jeans and an oxford still be considered "female"? What about homosexuals? Is being attracted to females a characteristic of the social construct of being a male? Can a gay man still be of the male gender even though he is attracted to other men? Can a young boy play with dolls and makeup (traditionally an activity associated with the socially defined female gender) but still be socially a male? Or does his playing with doll automatically change his gender to female even if he does not "feel" like a female nor consider his gender to be female?

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Do you actually intend someone to answer each of those questions individually?

I personally don't think there are official definitions of what defines the male or female gender. Or at least I'm not going to be the one who will make the definition for others. I am comfortable with who I am and how I was born, but I won't force someone who doesn't feel right in their skin to identify as someone they aren't.

I know there are people who will take advantage of this situation and do unscrupulous things but on the flip side completely closing this line of thought and denying someone the opportunity to feel comfortable in their skin just feels wrong.