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Teamsters successfully lobby to stop expansion of self-driving trucks
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:36 pm
by getting commercial trucks exempted from the bill to allow more autonomous vehicles on the road.
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Congress is expected to tackle the first federal legislation on self-driving vehicles in September after it returns from summer recess. The bipartisan plan raises the cap on permitted vehicles that don’t have common features such as a steering wheel, or meet certain safety requirements, to 100,000 a year from the current limit of 2,500.
The Teamsters successfully lobbied to exclude vehicles over 10,000 pounds. Yet the technology is rapidly advancing. Daimler was testing a self-driving rig on Nevada’s roads in 2015. Last year, Otto, a start-up now owned by Uber, made one of the first known deliveries by an autonomous truck — 50,000 cans of beer. This week, Reuters reported that Tesla was developing an electric, driverless semi-truck. Alphabet’s Waymo is making similar moves.
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:38 pm to 90proofprofessional
they are going to lose this long term. But this is not a win for american consumers.
hell, if they actually could get trucking automated, rail/trucking combos would be a lot more attractive to shippers.
hell, if they actually could get trucking automated, rail/trucking combos would be a lot more attractive to shippers.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:40 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:Yep. Reminds me of all the pandering to the coal industry from Trumpco.
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:41 pm to Big Scrub TX
word
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yes, because increasing regulatory restrictions on one industry reminds us of decreasing regulatory restrictions on another.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:43 pm to 90proofprofessional
I have a hard time seeing it happen, but am, admittedly, too close to the industry to comment without bias.
Appears to be the way of the future, I'll probably just retire in a year or two rather than keep at it.
Appears to be the way of the future, I'll probably just retire in a year or two rather than keep at it.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:45 pm to 90proofprofessional
Someone send these guys a DVD of Maximum Overdrive. You don't want to get on the wrong side of the self-driving trucks.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:46 pm to Iosh
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Maximum Overdrive
Is this an accurate "barb" toward you?
NERD!
With all due respect of course.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:47 pm to 90proofprofessional
I think there will still be a need for "drivers" even if they don't actually drive most of the time.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:48 pm to 90proofprofessional
The last major advancement in shipping automation was the cargo container system. It ended sailing as a profession in the west, but also created a ton of new jobs in areas that were not in the west due to factory outsourcing.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:48 pm to 9th life
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I have a hard time seeing it happen, but am, admittedly, too close to the industry to comment without bias.
it 100% will happen. Probably not for another 10-15 years though.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:50 pm to 90proofprofessional
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The Teamsters successfully lobbied to exclude vehicles over 10,000 pounds.
I'm kind of with them on this. When that glitch hits I'd rather take my chances with a 10k lb vehicle than I would an 80k lb vehicle.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:13 pm to Hawkeye95
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it 100% will happen.
I believe it. Like I said, I just struggle with the concept of it because I am in the middle of it now. Basic questions like:
Who is actually in possession of the cargo while in transit?
A breakdown occurs, who is protecting the commodity?
Arrive at a loading dock, who signs for the commodity? what if it is determined to be short shipped? who was there to verify? Who makes up the difference?
Now as for just highway cruising, I totally could see it, but only up until a point. A blowout occurs on the steer tire, I would prefer an actively engaged driver at the wheel.
And aside from that, self driving trucks seem like they would be an expensive investment. I have been in this industry for almost 20 years, and in that time there has been one thing that his been consistent: there isn't an abundance of money floating around out there to ship things.
All that said, I don't think any of those will be hindrances to the future of the industry, outside of the cost, once the technology has been refined.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:21 pm to 90proofprofessional
either the guaranteed wage or free contraceptives, free abortions
computers will replace so many workers, there just is not a need for all of "us".
computers will replace so many workers, there just is not a need for all of "us".
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:23 pm to CelticDog
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either the guaranteed wage or free contraceptives, free abortions
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there just is not a need for all of "us".
Why not annual purge? Sort of like a typical night in the south side of Chicago?
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:33 pm to MrLarson
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I'm kind of with them on this. When that glitch hits I'd rather take my chances with a 10k lb vehicle than I would an 80k lb vehicle.
But you are ok with the current crop of semi drivers many who have minimal training, routinely violate regulations on maximum hours that can be worked, are frequently under the influence of controlled substances, and cause accidents that kill thousands of people in any given year? I would rather take a chance on a computer glitch that will probably be highly unlikely due to redundant systems and software that continuously analyzes if the next instruction to be carried out is valid. For years We have had airplanes that can take off, fly to the other side of the world, and land without a pilot touching the controls.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:34 pm to 9th life
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Who is actually in possession of the cargo while in transit?
A breakdown occurs, who is protecting the commodity?
Arrive at a loading dock, who signs for the commodity? what if it is determined to be short shipped? who was there to verify? Who makes up the difference?
All of these can be easily worked out IMHO. What it will do is require a complete change in how shipping occurs. They will likely have hybrid models, where driving/rail does the long haul stuff and drivers come in for the end to end piece, but who knows. Hell, I think 3d printing is probably a bigger threat to shipping things than self driving trucks.
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And aside from that, self driving trucks seem like they would be an expensive investment. I have been in this industry for almost 20 years, and in that time there has been one thing that his been consistent: there isn't an abundance of money floating around out there to ship things.
I would guess that a driver is costing as much, if not more, than the truck.
I have worked with a few shipping companies on tech projects and one thing I have discovered is they are really fricking cheap and technology averse. So it will likely take a disrupter to make it happen. And self driving trucks probably won't take off until self driving cars are the norm.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:35 pm to Hawkeye95
God damn it I hate Unions so much.
They are such an anchor on our economy.
Luckily our nation is moving away from industries where unions are prevalent.
They are such an anchor on our economy.
Luckily our nation is moving away from industries where unions are prevalent.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:47 pm to Hawkeye95
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All of these can be easily worked out IMHO. What it will do is require a complete change in how shipping occurs. They will likely have hybrid models, where driving/rail does the long haul stuff and drivers come in for the end to end piece, but who knows.
I don't disagree. Like I said, those are just some of the basic questions that I come up with. There is slightly more that goes into it than just point a to point b.
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I would guess that a driver is costing as much, if not more, than the truck.
Over time, yes. And in theory the automated truck would never have to stop so you could do twice the driving. I would guess you would see the schneiders and the usa trucks of the world pushing this initially.
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really fricking cheap and technology averse.
fact. I can say this as I currently use AIM (AOL instant messenger) to communicate with my main customer which is a steamship line.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:02 pm to 9th life
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Over time, yes. And in theory the automated truck would never have to stop so you could do twice the driving. I would guess you would see the schneiders and the usa trucks of the world pushing this initially.
yeah, although schnieders is pretty backwards. That was one of the places I worked with.
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fact. I can say this as I currently use AIM (AOL instant messenger) to communicate with my main customer which is a steamship line.
Do you work with Rebel?
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