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re: Talk About a Serious Upgrade! President Trump Knocked it Out of the Park!
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:27 pm to AggieDub14
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:27 pm to AggieDub14
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2. If crossings are down, it would make sense. People come here for a better life. Trump must be making that more difficult for us.
So you're saying you're here illegally. You do know ICE reads this Board, right?
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:27 pm to buckeye_vol
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Yeah. I don't buy their emotional appeals either. And despite nobody apparently seeing my perspective, I'm being serious when I say that I'm skeptical of the data.
I have no problem with you being skeptical. however, i also have no problem believing the numbers are down. progress.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:29 pm to texag7
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Trump was throwing footballs thru tires back in the day. Doubt Obama even knows how to hold one
Not an Obama fan by any stretch, but wasn't he supposed to be a pretty decent basketball player?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:53 pm to buckeye_vol
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This just doesn't make sense to me. If we knew enforcement was poor, and we make it more effective, then if all else being equal, we should catch more individuals by that alone. And if it truly decreased, then whatever that decrease is, the increased enforcement will understate it.
This is idiotic even for you. They are not trying because of the increased enforcement.
Jesus God damned CHrist.
More enforcement and lower apprehensions must mean more are getting through!
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:58 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:So you have unavoidable interactions with prostitutes--treating them with the disrespect you think they deserve--and you have serious conversations with illegal immigrants?
I know a lot of illegal aliens living in SF and they told me they sent word to their relatives and friends back home about what is happening here.
And apparently you're not fond of either group, yet you have interactions with them--which we can't confirm--that conveniently support your viewpoint and/or argument.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 6:17 pm to gthog61
quote:So wouldn't that have spiked at first? How do they know there is increased enforcement if they haven't experienced it? Things like this often spike then the intended compensatory response lags.
They are not trying because of the increased enforcement.
But if you insist on calling me an idiot, then show me some data that shows the total attempts, rather than just those caught.
This makes me think back to the movie Hot Fuzz: if you call every murder an accident, then you'll have a murder rate of zero. Chicago was actually caught doing something like this with a handful of likely murders, which were just questionable enough that they could call it an accident and maybe get away with it. That didn't make it not a murder though.
I don't think the data are faked, but changing out how things are measured or actually not enforcing it would result in a decrease without an actual decrease.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 6:38 pm to buckeye_vol
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That's my point. Isn't the 73% figure derived from border crossers who are caught? So if they are increasing that enforcement, they should catch more
It's probably the opposite of that. They likely used figures from the previous few years and had fewer crossings this year. Then they say border crossings have decreased X%
Posted on 4/28/17 at 6:51 pm to buckeye_vol
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But the incentives haven't changed yet, and I doubt many people coming from extreme poverty, who don't speak English, have any idea about the policy positions. Many of our own citizens don't even know them.
Talk about sheer stupidity. OF COURSE they are hearing about ICE raids. OF COURSE they are being told that there is stricter enforcement at the border itself.
It's a little word called INCENTIVE. If (1) it's going to be tougher to get In, and (2) they're rounding up the illegals already here, then the risk/reward dynamic has substantially changed.
You honestly don't get that?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:04 pm to KCT
All this anti-wall BS rhetoric about we can do the same thing with tickity tackity tickity. All of those non-wall deterrents are easily changed from one administration to the next. An engineered badass wall is there for the long term.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:07 pm to larry289
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All of those non-wall deterrents are easily changed from one administration to the next.
Agreed. The fact that we are only seeing this substantial decrease now, AFTER OBAMA, is testament to the truthfulness of your comment.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:13 pm to KCT
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Oh, according to the latest available information, ILLEGAL border crossings have now decreased by 73%
Please explain to me how anyone can know this? Is there some camera stationed on the border that can see every person that crosses the border and then somehow calculate if they are illegal or not.
Are you sure this is not illegal border APPREHENSIONS?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:13 pm to KCT
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Agreed. The fact that we are only seeing this substantial decrease now, AFTER OBAMA, is testament to the truthfulness of your comment.
You agree with both parts or just the change part?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:17 pm to AggieDub14
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. Trump must be making that more difficult for us
When did you make the arduous journey culminating in the harrowing border crossing? You're an idiot that probably hasn't had to work for anything so why would you include yourself in the equation?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:18 pm to larry289
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You agree with both parts or just the change part?
(1) I want the wall.
(2) Even without the wall, an administration getting tough on illegal immigration is acting as a strong deterrent.
(3) If we don't build the wall, the next Democrat or RINO Administration could go right back to being lax against stopping illegal immigration.
That's how I see it.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:18 pm to KCT
Trump is it, Libs are shite
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:23 pm to KCT
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That's how I see it.
We are in perfect agreement. If these 'tards don't believe that we can build a wall that is tunnel proof, then their engineering background is from U of Guadalupe'
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:54 pm to larry289
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We are in perfect agreement. If these 'tards don't believe that we can build a wall that is tunnel proof, then their engineering background is from U of Guadalupe'
I like the idea I heard someone suggest on the radio yesterday.
We can put on our side of the wall all of the names of Americans victims of illegal aliens then dedicate the wall to them as a national monument.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:04 pm to KCT
quote:So the majority it immigrants in recent years come from Central America. And those Central American countries are some of the most dangerous and poorest countries in the world, with little access to the Internet and information, and low literacy rates.
Talk about sheer stupidity. OF COURSE they are hearing about ICE raids. OF COURSE they are being told that there is stricter enforcement at the border itself.
They then travel thousands of miles across months, risking getting caught in Mexico (before even making it here), and the most common routes are extremely dangerous, with signicant risk of murder, rape, and kidnapping.
So despite little access to communication methods, few means to access what is available, and language literacy barriers, they've somehow were able to get information about some stricter enforcement?
And despite the fact that it often takes months, even longer, to make that trip, starting before this enforcement began, many would have already been en route when that information was communicated?
And despite all of those far more terrifying risks (murder, rape, trafficking), some huge majority got that information and decided that getting caught by ICE (who would treat than humanely), was the one risk that was just too much, so going back to their dangerous country with little opportunity was a better choice?
And I'm the one who is displaying sheer stupidity? I mean many Americans have little idea what is happening in their own country, probably this very topic as well, yet you think it's stupid to conclude those immigrants not only have an idea, but got that information quickly, and then decided it was the one risk that was too much.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:08 pm to buckeye_vol
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I know a lot of illegal aliens living in SF and they told me they sent word to their relatives and friends back home about what is happening here.
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So you have unavoidable interactions with prostitutes--treating them with the disrespect you think they deserve--and you have serious conversations with illegal immigrants?
And apparently you're not fond of either group, yet you have interactions with them--which we can't confirm--that conveniently support your viewpoint and/or argument.
I may not like illegal aliens or prostitutes being in the USA but when I meet one then I treat them as an individual and not as a member of a group.
I give them the same basic respect that I give any other human being.
It's similar with Obama.
I may not like him as POTUS or because he is a Dumocrat but if I met him then I would respect him as a human being.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:26 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Well I thought you said you don't treat prostitutes with respect, but maybe I was wrong.
I give them the same basic respect that I give any other human being.
I'm just saying that it's convenient you have some fairly deep conversations with illegal immigrants--which we can't confirm--and that conversation just happens to support your argument.
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