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re: Stunning Admission By Renowned Atheist; Decline of Christianity is Hurting Society
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:12 pm to Perfect Circle
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:12 pm to Perfect Circle
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:13 pm to FooManChoo
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Of course it is. The logical outflowing of atheism is that there is no objective moral standard and no inherent human value. What kind of society are you going to have when you claim a utilitarian view of existence? The kind that says the ends justify the means.
Not necessarily. Atheists recognize that morality is nothing more than accepted social contracts. Most of what dictates those social morals is time tested. We know what makes good society. Cooperation, Empathy, and Compassion are far more likely to lead to successful civilization than Murder, Haterd, and Violence.
It doesn't take a Religious experience to know these things. Although, admittedly Christianity is one of the single best vehicles of the kind of morals that lead to successful civilizations. I love Christians and thank them for creating the greatest society ever known.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:15 pm to SidewalkDawg
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It doesn't take a Religious experience to know these things.
Do we have enough information to make this declaration on a societal level, though?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:16 pm to efrad
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Atheists must learn to find a deeper philosophy and stop defining themselves by their distance from historical philosophies. Even worse, many of these people turn to the state itself as their religion, which is extremely dangerous.
Your premise is faulty. In general, atheists do not use atheism as a method of defining themselves. I define myself as a good husband, son, brother, and productive member of society who treats others well. I just do not happen to believe in Jesus or God.
I certainly do not view the state as my religion. That's absurd. If anything many of these Trump supporters worship and deify him while also identifying as Christian.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:18 pm to theronswanson
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. I define myself as a good husband, son, brother, and productive member of society who treats others well.
What is "good"?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:19 pm to tiggerthetooth
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What is "good"
Faithful, caring, loving, supportive. Is this a real question?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:19 pm to CoachChappy
quote:Well, that's just a butt fricking stupid question.
One question I have always wanted to ask a real atheist is: What keeps you in line? Most crimes go unsolved. What keeps you from murdering someone who aggravates you?
I'm atheist and the answer is, because I'm a decent human being.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:19 pm to Perfect Circle
Renowned self acclaimed “Christian Atheist”
So basically he’s just on brand.
So basically he’s just on brand.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:21 pm to sacrathetic
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I'm a reformed atheist and I agree with the sentiment. I guess you could argue that I'm still an atheist since I'm not a believer, but I now fully embrace the importance of Christianity at a macro level. Without it, our society will crumble, tyranny will take hold, and a great many people will suffer.
I agree to an extent. I do not harbor ill will or negative feelings about religion. I think it helps a lot of people and is generally positive for society. Personally, I just do not believe in Jesus or God.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:21 pm to theronswanson
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Faithful, caring, loving, supportive. Is this a real question?
Who decided being faithful, caring and supportive was good? What is the foundation for calling those actions good?
Of course it's a real question. Are you above being questioned?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:21 pm to FooManChoo
quote:False
no inherent human value.
You're so fricking stupid
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:21 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Do we have enough information to make this declaration on a societal level, though?
Why wouldn't we? One only needs to look to history to see what makes good and successful civilizations.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:22 pm to CoachChappy
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What keeps you in line? Most crimes go unsolved. What keeps you from murdering someone who aggravates you?
It's called a conscience. It's something God gives you. Kinda ironic isn't it?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:22 pm to CoachChappy
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One question I have always wanted to ask a real atheist is: What keeps you in line? Most crimes go unsolved. What keeps you from murdering someone who aggravates you?
An innate desire not to cause harm to my fellow human beings.
I have a question. Can your dead relatives see everything you do, and if so, how awkward is that meeting gonna be?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:23 pm to SidewalkDawg
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Why wouldn't we? One only needs to look to history to see what makes good and successful civilizations.
What are the successful ones who have eschewed all "Religious experience"?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:23 pm to Esquire
quote:Well, and, I mean............is that dude really saying that every day he wakes up wishing he could go on a murderous rampage and the only thing standing in his way is that the Bible told him not to?
An innate desire not to cause harm to my fellow human beings.
Because yeah. That's fricking scary.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:24 pm to sacrathetic
Atheists are scum in human form
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:24 pm to Homesick Tiger
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It's called a conscience. It's something God gives you. Kinda ironic isn't it?
Pretty smug answer. How do you know God gave you a conscience?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:24 pm to theronswanson
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How do you know God gave you a conscience?
Faith
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:25 pm to tiggerthetooth
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How do you know God gave you a conscience?
Faith
Hey Foo. THIS is how it's done.
No multi paragraph bull shite fests implying you've got some hard and fast provable logic. Just fricking say it's your faith and call it a day.
I can respect that even when I don't believe it myself. And, no fricking dumb charade.
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