re: Student protesters win, Catholic school will NOT fire married gay teacher

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TN Bhoy

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Are you going to address what is happening at this school?

A "by your logic" point that states that drug dealers and murders are not imposing anything on their communities isn't worthy of an answer of any kind. You'll have to make a point that isn't completely stupid.

Sounds like you don't know what "impose" means.

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People are drawn to the truth and the truth is homosexual activities are inherently disordered.

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Well, people don't seem to have been drawn to the TRUTH of the Catholic Church covering up all sorts of their own DISORDERED activities.

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Bullshite. Using your flawed logic, we should also allow drug dealers and murderers to be teachers at religious institutions so long as they aren't murdering or dealing to anyone in the school community, because they aren't imposing directly on the community right?

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Wow. Quite a "detective" you are.

Maybe he can teach them how to suck a cock in class now.

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who is he to judge a gay person who seeks the lord.

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Which is what the Catholic Church has taught for 2,000 years.

This was not a statement that gay sex is okay. It was not a statement that it’s okay for priests to break their vows.

It was an affirmation that we are all made new in Christ. I am the recipient of this same grace, as, if you will be honest, are you.

St. Paul murdered Christians before he became the great apostle. St. Peter denied he ever knew Christ and cursed His name before he became the first pope.

If a priest falls off the chastity wagon and then repents and lives his vows afterwards, how is that different from you and me? Who, as the pope said, are we to judge?

Can you tell me how God and Christians forgiving and refusing to judge St. Paul for murdering hundreds, if not thousands of Christians is any different from Pope Francis refusing to judge a gay man who is trying to find his way to Christ?

It's not any different. The Church preaches today what it has for 2,000 years. You're just ignorant of what those teachings are.

Let's play a game called "Is the Pope Catholic?"

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said who is he to judge a gay person who seeks the lord.

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Francis:

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If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge that person? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this point beautifully but says, wait a moment, how does it say, it says, these persons must never be marginalized and ‘they must be integrated into society.’ The problem is not that one has this tendency; no, we must be brothers, this is the first matter.

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Benedict:

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It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.

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CCC:

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[Homosexual persons] must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

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He says things about the follow of trickle down economics

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Benedict: Caritas in veritate

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[The Church] has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy … solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for “there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market.”

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Now, as we've discussed before, Communism has been anathematized a number of times. And so has anarcho-capitalism (don't believe me, ask Thomas Woods, who has written a number of books in which he argues against papal encyclicals condemning him). If you are a Communist or Anarcho-Capitalist, YOU ARE NOT A CATHOLIC.

Let's look at some other things that people get Francis wrong on:

Francis:

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The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!

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Benedict:

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Did the Lord not die for all? That Jesus Christ, as the Son of God made man, is the man for all men, the new Adam, belongs to the fundamental certainties of our faith.

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The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: “There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer.”

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Throwing away food is like stealing from the table of the poor and the hungry.

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Opulence and waste are no longer acceptable when the tragedy of hunger is assuming ever greater proportions.

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Not to enable the poor to share in our goods is to steal from them and deprive them of life. The goods we possess are not ours, but theirs.

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Face it, the Church is changing. As a catholic I like what Francis is doing. I'm just as Catholic as you, I have been confirmed and I participate in the sacraments.

You are not a better Catholic than anyone else.

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I have a question for you. You continue harping on the idea of a "Catholic" political party. What, exactly, will this party stand for if you don't have Catholic moral teaching in it?


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And another thing on Francis. Francis has excommunicated and expelled from their orders more people in his first year than Benedict did in his entire papacy.

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I do have a question, though. Why would someone who disagrees with Catholic moral teaching want to work at a school that has Catholic moral teaching at its core? You don't see many pig farmers applying for jobs at halal restaurants.

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And certainly no pre-marital sex-havers, cheaters or any other "sinners" are on the faculty and staff doing things "disagreeing" with Catholic moral teaching.

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If they are doing it openly and broadcasting it (which this man is doing by being a "married" homosexual), then I would hope that they were removed. Scandal is one of the biggest sins due to it affecting the thoughts of others, especially when it concerns children.

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I think it would be more fair if they were made to fill out questionaires about which sins they are committing. That way, all of god's sinners can be rooted out and taken away from the brittle children.