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Student loan bubble about to burst

Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:16 am
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:16 am
And I, for one, welcome the coming collapse. Education (especially higher education) is a privilege and not a right. It's time we abolish the racket that is the Ivory Tower. And I say this as an employee of said tower.

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Rapid run-ups in debt are the single biggest predictor of market trouble. So it is worth noting that over the past 10 years the amount of student loan debt in the US has grown by 170 per cent, to a whopping $1.4tn — more than car loans, or credit card debt. Indeed, as an expert at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau recently pointed out to me, since 2008 we have basically swapped a housing debt bubble for a student loan bubble. No wonder NY Federal Reserve president Bill Dudley fretted last week that high levels of student debt and default are a “headwind to economic activity”.In America, 44m people have student debt. Eight million of those borrowers are in default. That’s a default rate which is still higher than pre-crisis levels — unlike the default rate for mortgages, credit cards or even car loans. Rising college education costs will not help shrink those numbers. While the headline consumer price index is 2.7 per cent, between 2016 and 2017 published tuition and fee prices rose by 9 per cent at four-year state institutions, and 13 per cent at posher private colleges. The student loan market is hopelessly opaque — only a quarter of students can predict their own debt load A large chunk of the hike was due to schools hiring more administrators (who “brand build” and recruit wealthy donors) and building expensive facilities designed to lure wealthier, full-fee-paying students. This not only leads to excess borrowing on the part of universities — a number of them are caught up in dicey bond deals like the sort that sunk the city of Detroit — but higher tuition for students. The average debt load individual graduates carry is up 70 per cent over the past decade, to about $34,000.


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This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 10:41 am
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30886 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:19 am to
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Education (especially higher education) is a privilege and not a right


Perhaps, but it doesn't help when an entire generation was told that without a degree, they would die starving and homeless. I mean, Gen X and Millennials were told that without a degree your job would be "worthless" - and at the age they would go to college, are they supposed to argue with their parents? When their work experience is all of a minimum wage job in a fast food place or retail store?
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:20 am to
Why do you hate stupid people?

Oh yeah, the Government needs to stay out of the education racket.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17480 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:20 am to
So when this crashes, I assume my college degrees will be worth more overtime, as less students will be able to borrow.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68234 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:21 am to
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The average debt load individual graduates carry is up 70 per cent over the past decade, to about $34,000.

That's it? That's all? The price of a Honda Accord? Pay your fricking debt, goddamn. (not directed specifically at OP)
Posted by TheXman
Middle America
Member since Feb 2017
2975 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:22 am to
I would say that 95% of people I know that work in higher education are absolutely insufferable.

They will hopefully have a come to Jesus moment if like you said the Ivory Tower does come down.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41122 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:24 am to
Anyone got some good investment strategies for this collapse?
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:25 am to
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I would say that 95% of people I know that work in higher education are absolutely insufferable.


I work in academia, in the liberal arts. And in non-Stem social science and humanities disciplines, you are right.

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They will hopefully have a come to Jesus moment if like you said the Ivory Tower does come down.


Too late. The statists have already hunkered down for the long haul.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 10:30 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:26 am to
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Education (especially higher education) is a privilege and not a right.


That is so fricked. The government has an important interest in a well educated population. It is a function of providing for the General Welfare to subsidize and even require education at all levels.
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
11707 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:27 am to
I'm selfishly hoping my mountain of debt is somehow washed away in this collapse.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139840 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:27 am to
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the Government needs to stay out of the education racket.


Somewhat agree but not totally.

The government at the local and state level need to be involved heavily. The Federal should just put out simple guidelines, not mandatory. But the laws such as IDEA, Title IX, Brown v BOE etc need to be enforced.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:29 am to
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That's it? That's all? The price of a Honda Accord? Pay your f*****g debt


Hard to pay off that debt for the degree in women's studies when you're working 29 hours/week at Starbucks with no health insurance.
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:29 am to
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The government has an important interest in a well educated population. It is a function of providing for the General Welfare to subsidize and even require education at all levels.


But "education" does not mean, as I think you are implying, the wholesale subsidization of entire institutions (at all levels: students, parents, teachers, and admin).

Education essentially means accreditation nowadays. And if you are referring to lower levels of primary and secondary education, the problem is far worse.

This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 10:37 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85034 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:29 am to
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The government has an important interest in a well educated population. It is a function of providing for the General Welfare to subsidize and even require education at all levels.
Without safeguards to prevent colleges and universities from overpricing services with almost no lasting benefit to either the person or society?
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
20273 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:30 am to
They can't find jobs because 90% of the degrees out there are worthless.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134861 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:32 am to
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Without safeguards to prevent colleges and universities from overpricing services with almost no lasting benefit to either the person or society?

This is the issue. We need a collapse to start trimming down bloated university budgets. Colleges are becoming resorts, not schools.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 10:33 am
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:32 am to
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They can't find jobs because 90% of the degrees out there are worthless.


Except that "worthless" would imply a net worth of 0. Most of these 90%'ers will drown in debt and its correlating entanglements for at least a decade after they earn their degree.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
73144 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:34 am to
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They can't find jobs because 90% of the degrees out there are worthless.
this meme that all these "people with liberal arts degrees and $250k worth of student loan debt" can't get jobs because their degrees are worthless needs to die

Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:34 am to
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The government has an important interest in a well educated population. It is a function of providing for the General Welfare to subsidize and even require education at all levels.

Without safeguards to prevent colleges and universities from overpricing services with almost no lasting benefit to either the person or society?


What?

Did I say anything like that? Yes of course with those safeguards.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98188 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:35 am to
The real scam is debt for useless "degrees" from for-profit colleges and trade schools.
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