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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:36 pm to BamaAtl
Agreed but hearing that from a Bernout doesn't seem to resonate for some reason.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Even on social issues?
You can be socially liberal and fiscally conservative and not go full libertarian.
Clearly
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:38 pm to BamaAtl
Lard jaysus give me strengt'
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:38 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:To be honest, outside of Blood meridian, Suttree, and the first volume of the border trilogy (all the pretty horses), there are not masterpieces given to us by mccarthy. The majority of his novels are simply extremely beautiful prose describing sensory and nature with bland and meh storylines and themes. But the masterpieces are so magnificent that it more than makes up for the shortcomings.
I need to read that since I lived in Knoxville.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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ou don't get why socialism meant at the time of the writing of that book.
Really? I've since read Socialism by Mises and Hayek's work on economic calculation and spontaneous order so I think I have some idea.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Still waiting on that Proudhon post frickboy
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:40 pm to Iosh
quote:I cannot find the post.
Still waiting on that Proudhon post frickboy
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:41 pm to joshnorris14
quote:Hayek had a better answer to the calculation problem than Mises.
I've since read Socialism by Mises and Hayek's work on economic calculation and spontaneous order so I think I have some idea.
Oskar Lange refuted Mises, and Mises never was able to decisively refute Lange.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Hayek was a shitty writer as well. Seriously, why have his works displayed?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:43 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I actually like that though, in films as well.
The majority of his novels are simply extremely beautiful prose describing sensory and nature with bland and meh storylines and themes.
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:43 pm to joshnorris14
quote:Hayek is more influential than Mises, period. And was MUCH more intellectually gifted.
Hayek was a shitty writer as well. Seriously, why have his works displayed?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Hayek is more influential than Mises, period. And was MUCH more intellectually gifted.
Has nothing to do with whether he was a better writer.
He was more influential and his most important work was the Hayekian triangle, in my opinion.
But, Hayek and Mises worked on the calculation problem together, so I'm not sure how you can say Hayek's ideas on the topic were superior?
Also, Hayek could never top HA, The height of economic thought
Posted on 3/27/17 at 9:51 pm to joshnorris14
quote:Hayek never argued that calculation was IMPOSSIBLE in a command economy. He argued that it was extremely difficult to achieve because information and knowledge is dispersed.
But, Hayek and Mises worked on the calculation problem together, so I'm not sure how you can say Hayek's ideas on the topic were superior?
Mises flat out said calculation is impossible, but it's not. Here is why: capital goods and input good prices in a free market are determined by the price of consumer goods. There is no reason the Lange Model couldn't in theory mimic such a process.
Hayek conceded the Lange Model was theoretically sound, he simply said it would be very hard and costly to gain the info needed to carry out the plans.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:04 pm to Navytiger74
One thing libertarians confront that many don't even quite grasp, is that they wish to do away with central banking institutions which control the money supply.
That even alone would shake the foundation of the world.
Central banks aren't some distant relatives of each other in each nation, but closest of kin. All the major central banks of the western world and even Japan in the far-east are all created beings of the global elites.
Their job is to grow this deep-state, well-fare state, war-state through debt and control.
If you can't get past that realism then you can never understand a true libertarian's mindset.
In their mind the destruction of central banking will CHANGE the world for the better where Big Government could not function without.
That even alone would shake the foundation of the world.
Central banks aren't some distant relatives of each other in each nation, but closest of kin. All the major central banks of the western world and even Japan in the far-east are all created beings of the global elites.
Their job is to grow this deep-state, well-fare state, war-state through debt and control.
If you can't get past that realism then you can never understand a true libertarian's mindset.
In their mind the destruction of central banking will CHANGE the world for the better where Big Government could not function without.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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romney ran a libertarian campaign
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:06 pm to reo45
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One thing libertarians confront that many don't even quite grasp, is that they wish to do away with central banking institutions which control the money supply.
Satoshi Nakamoto grasped it quite well.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's been a long time since I read up on the calculation debate, but from what I remember Lange conceded that Mises' point was correct, but only argued capitalists would fall victim to the same problem
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:12 pm to joshnorris14
quote:Lange conceded that socialism at the time of Mises' calculation argument was flawed because of no calculation.
but from what I remember Lange conceded that Mises' point was correct, but only argued capitalists would fall victim to the same problem
Lange's model solved this, theoretically, by giving managers the right to adjust prices and to allow mangers to bid for capital goods based on how much the products were selling for.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:21 pm to joshnorris14
We don't know much about who or who's that is, but I get your point.
My point was that anyone who says Libertarian ideas don't work in the real world are correct if they subtract the libertarian's viewpoint on central banking.
Libertarians are true conspiracy minded individuals and believe the world doesn't operate at random with bad choices being the decisive factors in many events, but rather powerful players control governments, institutions, and other nefarious outlets through various means to bring us into a one world government.
That is their majority viewpoint. So, Bannon and any other who call them idealists are using a very narrow scope.
If Libertarians truly got what they wanted in the West we would see this one world government push dead in it's tracks, but it will never happen.
My point was that anyone who says Libertarian ideas don't work in the real world are correct if they subtract the libertarian's viewpoint on central banking.
Libertarians are true conspiracy minded individuals and believe the world doesn't operate at random with bad choices being the decisive factors in many events, but rather powerful players control governments, institutions, and other nefarious outlets through various means to bring us into a one world government.
That is their majority viewpoint. So, Bannon and any other who call them idealists are using a very narrow scope.
If Libertarians truly got what they wanted in the West we would see this one world government push dead in it's tracks, but it will never happen.
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