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re: Spinoff: interpreting scientific data
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:21 am to cokebottleag
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:21 am to cokebottleag
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Spinoff: interpreting scientific data by cokebottleag
I have to say, the logic of just two points is pretty hard to refute. The rest is a bunch of superfluous data which is probably poor.
Human Rights Watch 2008 World Report — ~150 million girls, ~73 million boys “have experienced rape or other sexual violence”
Homosexuals comprise < 2% of adults
I mean, I know it makes people uncomfortable, but the above two facts are pretty solid, with the implication that men are doing the violence to both girls and boys. It would mean 2% of the world is responsible for about 1/3 of the sexual violence.
Scientific data, right?
I have to say, the logic of just two points is pretty hard to refute. The rest is a bunch of superfluous data which is probably poor. Human Rights Watch 2008 World Report — ~150 million girls, ~73 million boys “have experienced rape or other sexual violence” Homosexuals comprise < 2% of adults I mean, I know it makes people uncomfortable, but the above two facts are pretty solid, with the implication that men are doing the violence to both girls and boys. It would mean 2% of the world is responsible for about 1/3 of the sexual violence. Scientific data, right?
Fair argument, except we know that sexual orientation is generally NOT the driving force behind violent sex crimes, so much as underlying drives for dominance/humiliation.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 10:22 am
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Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:21 am to SleauxPlay
I always respond to hack threads , written by dishonest people, with snarky one-sentence replies.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:22 am to SleauxPlay
You sure that is the Kirk Cameron you are thinking of? The one from family research started working with his dad in 1983 and has a PhD.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:23 am to SleauxPlay
How about studies from the CDC?
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/
Gay and bisexual men accounted for 83% (29,418) of the estimated new HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 and older and 67% of the total estimated new diagnoses in the United States.
Gay and bisexual men aged 13 to 24 accounted for an estimated 92% of new HIV diagnoses among all men in their age group and 27% of new diagnoses among all gay and bisexual men.
Or this:
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/stdfact-msm-syphilis.htm
Between 2014 and 2015, the number of reported primary and secondary (P&S) cases in the United States increased by 19%, and there were 23,872 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2015. Most (60%) of these cases were among MSM.
Or these:
Almost a 1/3 of gay men have had over 1,000 partners. 75% have over 100.
Or this Swedish study:
Same-sex behaviour remains a substantial correlate of sexually transmitted infections in men and is also associated with increased risk of physical and psychiatric morbidity among both men and women in the general population.
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/
Gay and bisexual men accounted for 83% (29,418) of the estimated new HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 and older and 67% of the total estimated new diagnoses in the United States.
Gay and bisexual men aged 13 to 24 accounted for an estimated 92% of new HIV diagnoses among all men in their age group and 27% of new diagnoses among all gay and bisexual men.
Or this:
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/stdfact-msm-syphilis.htm
Between 2014 and 2015, the number of reported primary and secondary (P&S) cases in the United States increased by 19%, and there were 23,872 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2015. Most (60%) of these cases were among MSM.
Or these:
Almost a 1/3 of gay men have had over 1,000 partners. 75% have over 100.
Or this Swedish study:
Same-sex behaviour remains a substantial correlate of sexually transmitted infections in men and is also associated with increased risk of physical and psychiatric morbidity among both men and women in the general population.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:24 am to SleauxPlay
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Fair argument, except we know that sexual orientation is generally NOT the driving force behind violent sex crimes, so much as underlying drives for dominance/humiliation.
Um, I thought the doctrine was that sexual attraction was not the driving force, that it was power.
Heterosexual men do not sexually molest other men. They assault them violently, sure. But sexually? Uh, no.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:26 am to SleauxPlay
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Question: how on Earth has the educational system failed us to the point where someone could post such an article with a straight face in an attempt to pass it off in "science?"
Many of us have asked this same question about climate change 'science' papers.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:29 am to PuddinPopPharmacist
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How about studies from the CDC? LINK / Gay and bisexual men accounted for 83% (29,418) of the estimated new HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 and older and 67% of the total estimated new diagnoses in the United States. Gay and bisexual men aged 13 to 24 accounted for an estimated 92% of new HIV diagnoses among all men in their age group and 27% of new diagnoses among all gay and bisexual men. Or this: LINK Between 2014 and 2015, the number of reported primary and secondary (P&S) cases in the United States increased by 19%, and there were 23,872 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2015. Most (60%) of these cases were among MSM. Or these: Almost a 1/3 of gay men have had over 1,000 partners. 75% have over 100. Or this Swedish study: Same-sex behaviour remains a substantial correlate of sexually transmitted infections in men and is also associated with increased risk of physical and psychiatric morbidity among both men and women in the general population.
Relevance?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:31 am to SleauxPlay
quote:Well cuz, that last part is where you jumped the shark.
Question: how on Earth has the educational system failed us to the point where someone could post such an article with a straight face in an attempt to pass it off in "science?" What can be done to improve basic scientific literacy?
Like I said in the other thread, this place is usually simply charmingly regressive
As to your original question: "how on Earth has the educational system failed us to the point where someone could post such an article?" The answer is it has become acceptable to politicize science. I find it incredibly interesting you are apparently willing to blame the right for that.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:33 am to SleauxPlay
It's not the same Kirk Cameron you are thinking about...
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:39 am to Dawgfanman
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It's not the same Kirk Cameron you are thinking about...
Totally possible, but the quality of data remains the more important point. FWIW, the actor KC has spoken to audiences at the Family Research Council numerous times, hence my confusion.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:41 am to Dawgfanman
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It's not the same Kirk Cameron you are thinking about...
It doesn't matter. Kirk Cameron, and his Dad, Paul Cameron, have been disowned from the scientific community time and time again for bad science.
All of their studies have been debunked 100s of times.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:42 am to NC_Tigah
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Well cuz, that last part is where you jumped the shark. As to your original question: "how on Earth has the educational system failed us to the point where someone could post such an article?" The answer is it has become acceptable to politicize science. I find it incredibly interesting you are apparently willing to blame the right for that.
This is a total false equivalency. You cannot compare research that falls within the accepted parameters of peer review with this type of garbage.
The results of studies may be politicized, no doubt. I'm interested in the studies themselves.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:42 am to SleauxPlay
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Totally possible, but the quality of data remains the more important point. FWIW, the actor KC has spoken to audiences at the Family Research Council numerous times, hence my confusion.
That research wasn't from the Family Research Council.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:42 am to SleauxPlay
I don't agree with the article in mention. However, the street runs both ways. Before you come in here causally tossing out smug phrases like "charmingly regressive" look in the mirror. People like you are intolerable to the point that I'll give those jackasses a listen if it means not having to deal with your smug arse
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:44 am to cokebottleag
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Heterosexual men do not sexually molest other men. They assault them violently, sure. But sexually? Uh, no.
Are you sure you want to make this argument? Been to prison?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:45 am to Dawgfanman
Numerous articles were CITED by the Family Research Council.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:45 am to SleauxPlay
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On further inspection, almost half of the articles cited are co-authored by Kirk fricking Cameron. All of the articles are poorly designed, poorly conceived, poorly written.
quote:Irony.
this is just embarrassing
Is P.D.Cameron, PhD the "Kirk" you're referencing?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:45 am to SleauxPlay
What are your thoughts on climate change projections?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:48 am to NC_Tigah
Nope, that's the father. See above.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:51 am to SleauxPlay
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Nope, that's the father. See above
It would be easier to simply remove that from your arguement than to try and pass off as if you know anything about the author of the study. You are damaging your own credibility here. That's the problem with those type of smug comments in an otherwise decent post you started.
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