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Sooooo....Let's discuss the Constitution.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:06 pm
As it has become obvious that the Constitutional protections provided to the press in the 1st amendment are being used nefariously and with wholesale abandonment of the role that the framers perceived them as playing in 1789, why can't we start regulating the press?
Within the same sentence that the freedom of the press is guaranteed, the free practice of religion is guaranteed.
The free practice of religion is regulated by the government outside of the bindings of the Constitution everywhere and every day.
The second amendment is the most regulated right in the Constitution which is unambiguously provided in the early amendments.
Should we regulate the press or are they better than the rest of us?
Within the same sentence that the freedom of the press is guaranteed, the free practice of religion is guaranteed.
The free practice of religion is regulated by the government outside of the bindings of the Constitution everywhere and every day.
The second amendment is the most regulated right in the Constitution which is unambiguously provided in the early amendments.
Should we regulate the press or are they better than the rest of us?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:11 pm to Scoop
"As it has become obvious that the Constitutional protections provided to the press in the 1st amendment are being used nefariously..."
Uh, no. And when you compare the Press today to the Press in Early America (1770s to 1810s), today's press is MUCH more honest and lest rumor-infested than our earlier press. The Press the framers were protecting in the FA was pretty rotten by today's understanding of truth and fairness.
Uh, no. And when you compare the Press today to the Press in Early America (1770s to 1810s), today's press is MUCH more honest and lest rumor-infested than our earlier press. The Press the framers were protecting in the FA was pretty rotten by today's understanding of truth and fairness.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:17 pm to Scoop
They are free to print the truth, no matter how damaging it may to the people in charge. They are not free to spread lies and misinformation.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:20 pm to Scoop
Free speech is regulated.
Fire in a theater, defamation, etc.
Think of some quantifiable method to measure regulations/exceptions on constitutional rights. Call them "ALUs" - antiliberty units. Figure out what each regulation is worth and add everything up for each of the first 10 amendments.
Have it on my desk Friday morning and we can revisit the discussion.
Fire in a theater, defamation, etc.
Think of some quantifiable method to measure regulations/exceptions on constitutional rights. Call them "ALUs" - antiliberty units. Figure out what each regulation is worth and add everything up for each of the first 10 amendments.
Have it on my desk Friday morning and we can revisit the discussion.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:23 pm to Scoop
quote:
As it has become obvious that the Constitutional protections provided to the press in the 1st amendment are being used nefariously and with wholesale abandonment of the role that the framers perceived them as playing in 1789, why can't we start regulating the press?
Within the same sentence that the freedom of the press is guaranteed, the free practice of religion is guaranteed.
The free practice of religion is regulated by the government outside of the bindings of the Constitution everywhere and every day.
The second amendment is the most regulated right in the Constitution which is unambiguously provided in the early amendments.
Should we regulate the press or are they better than the rest of us?
literally hitler.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:23 pm to JuiceTerry
Regulate them like the second amendment. It's important for public safety that we regulate certain constitutional rights.
Right?
Right?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:27 pm to JuiceTerry
The framers had no idea that one day there would be the internet and lots of people would use it in a destructive manner so with these changes from 1789 the Constitution should be a living document that we can interpret according to modern standards.
Right?
Right?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:35 pm to Scoop
What if they relable themselves as "political entertainment"?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:40 pm to Scoop
There are already free press exceptions including defamation prohibitions, prohibitions against direct incitement of violence, obscenity laws. Reporters can go to jail for publishing leaked grand jury info & protecting unnamed sources wanted for crimes.
You'd like to add to these?
You'd like to add to these?
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:46 pm to Scoop
We have to pay a tax in many states to exercise our right to carry a gun, but all kinds of hell was raised bc people had to pay a tax to exercise their right to vote.
Don't even get me started on the 10th Amendment.
Don't even get me started on the 10th Amendment.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:54 pm to TigerDoc
quote:You're post doesn't count. The OP obviously didn't care to present anything besides vague and abstract ideas to provide any basis for what he is even talking about. So your concrete examples are too much for the confusing OP.
There are already free press exceptions including defamation prohibitions, prohibitions against direct incitement of violence, obscenity laws. Reporters can go to jail for publishing leaked grand jury info & protecting unnamed sources wanted for crimes.
You'd like to add to these?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:57 pm to TigerDoc
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direct incitement of violence
Obviously not enforced, see ferguson, Dallas, Baton Rouge
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:57 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:history is a liberal art and liberal arts are for cucks
And when you compare the Press today to the Press in Early America (1770s to 1810s), today's press is MUCH more honest and lest rumor-infested than our earlier press. The Press the framers were protecting in the FA was pretty rotten by today's understanding of truth and fairness.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:25 am to Iosh
If you regulate the press welcome to North Korea
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:55 am to Scoop
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As it has become obvious that the Constitutional protections provided to the press in the 1st amendment are being used nefariously and with wholesale abandonment of the role that the framers perceived them as playing in 1789, why can't we start regulating the press?
Here is a good historical precedent for you.
"...Hitler had the cabinet, in its first post-election meeting on 15 March, draw up plans for an Enabling Act which would give the cabinet legislative power for four years. The Nazis devised the Enabling Act to gain complete political power without the need of the support of a majority in the Reichstag and without the need to bargain with their coalition partners.
Preparations and negotiations[edit]
The Enabling Act allowed the cabinet to enact legislation, including laws deviating from or altering the constitution, without the consent of the Reichstag. Because this law allowed for departures from the constitution, it was itself considered a constitutional amendment. Thus, its passage required the support of two-thirds of those deputies who were present and voting. A quorum of two-thirds of the entire Reichstag was required to be present in order to call up the bill.
The Social Democrats (SPD) and the Communists (KPD) were expected to vote against the Act. The government had already arrested all Communist and some Social Democrat deputies under the Reichstag Fire Decree. The Nazis expected the parties representing the middle class, the Junkers and business interests to vote for the measure, as they had grown weary of the instability of the Weimar Republic and would not dare to resist."
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:58 am to Cruiserhog
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Should we regulate the press or are they better than the rest of us?
literally hitler.
Yup.
You know we have lost our way when someone thinks something like this would be a good idea.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:01 am to Brosef Stalin
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They are free to print the truth, no matter how damaging it may to the people in charge. They are not free to spread lies and misinformation.
Actually, they have to be. The people are supposed to be smart enough and canny enough to figure it out.
Bad citizens are the problem right now. Like you.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:02 am to HubbaBubba
The press has always been entertainment for profit (for the most part).
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