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re: Someone tell me about this Dr. Ben Carson fella.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:22 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:22 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:True enough. The problem with AA lies at the start of the process, not in the outcome. AA uses arbitrary, bias-based metrics to determine who gets who gets the opportunity to succeed.
AA of course only offers a start, a catalysis to the process. The finish, one's ultimate accomplishment, remains wholly a function of the recipient, not AA.
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:24 pm to Jim Rockford
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However, that doesn't make your opinion any more relevant on areas outside your field of expertise than the guy who drives a truck for a living.
Unless he's a community organizer.
Are you seriously comparing the cognitive skills of a brain surgeon against that of a truck driver?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Being a biblical creationist doesn't necessarily mean one believes the earth is 6,000 years old. The Bible never states the age of the earth, nor when humans were created.
I posted a nine minute video of him personally stating he is a biblical creationist.
Just FYI.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:28 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:I disagree with you on that one, but I'm gonna be a doctor so my big ego must get in the way.
Absolutely, I guess to do that you kind of have to think your skills are godlike. However, that doesn't make your opinion any more relevant on areas outside your field of expertise than the guy who drives a truck for a living.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:29 pm to L.A.
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who gets the opportunity to succeed.
I see what you're saying, but I disagree to an extent. I'm with NC; through hell or high water, the cream always rises to the top. Dr. Carson, for example, would have been this much of a success with or w/o AA imo. Likewise, I don't think AA has ever "stopped" a non-black person from succeeding, although its always an easy and convenient excuse when one doesn't want to take responsibility for his own lot in life.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:36 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:I agree with that as well. AA would only impact from whence rises the cream.
through hell or high water, the cream always rises to the top
I oppose AA on the grounds that it discriminates. Period. It's that simple for me. I heard Whoopi Goldberg saying on TV once that whites should like AA because white women benefit from AA more than anyone else. As if the problem with AA is that not enough whites benefit from it. I am opposed to any and all discrimination based on race. Period. No exceptions. It matters not a whit to me the race of those who benefit.
To quote Chief Justice John Roberts: "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:42 pm to son of arlo
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Are you seriously comparing the cognitive skills of a brain surgeon against that of a truck driver?
I think their intellect can work against them. These guys (or gals) have been the brightest person in the room since kindergarten. They're smart, and they know they're smart. That can lead to a mindset of "this is what I think, so of course it's true." And they're in an environment where they're the alpha dog, and people aren't willing to challenge the alpha dog. Add to that the fact that the more time you spend developing expertise in a highly complex, narrow field, the less time you have to spend learning about the wider world around you.
There are some very, very smart people who hold to some very strange ideas, ranging from merely eccentric to stuff that's way over the line like Holocaust denial. And I'm not equating Carson with a Holocaust denier, just using that as an example.
Not all doctors are like this, and it's by no means limited to doctors. But some of them have a tendency to fall into this way of thinking. One of the most useful things to recognize about yourself is how much you don't know.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:46 pm to L.A.
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I oppose AA on the grounds that it discriminates. Period. It's that simple for me. I heard Whoopi Goldberg saying on TV once that whites should like AA because white women benefit from AA more than anyone else. As if the problem with AA is that not enough whites benefit from it. I am opposed to any and all discrimination based on race. Period. No exceptions. It matters not a whit to me the race of those who benefit. To quote Chief Justice John Roberts: "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race."
That's fair, and I can't say I disagree. Like I noted in a prior thread, I'm 100% for diversity, not AA.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:53 pm to son of arlo
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son of arlo
Someone tell me about this Dr. Ben Carson fella.
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To simplify....why should Bill Cosby's son get an advantage because he's black while the white child of a garbage collector gets no advantage with the same grades and test scores?
I can't fully form my answer unless I know what their gender proclivities are. A transgendered white daughter of a garbage collector might trump an upper-class black male.
even obama doesn't know the answer to that one ...
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:55 pm to son of arlo
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son of arlo
Someone tell me about this Dr. Ben Carson fella.
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Bad: He's an accomplished physician with a science background spanning decades, yet maintains his stance as a young earth creationist.
Quit riding that old dead pony. Most LSU fans think college football only started in 2003. (to LAT: BOOYA brother!)
In 25 words or less, please define time for me, and how it's connected to space and gravity.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:11 pm to Jim Rockford
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I think their intellect can work against them.
Oh ok. I'll pick you the next time I get a melanoma around the lymbic region.
On a more abstract note, I wonder what Joe Biden's career trajectory would have been like if Ben Carson had operated on him.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:15 pm to son of arlo
Don't be obtuse. I specified that I was talking about areas outside their field of expertise.
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Oh ok. I'll pick you the next time I get a melanoma around the lymbic region.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:33 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:I'm completely sympathetic to the sentiments behind AA. It's just that AA requires an immoral act to achieve the desired effect.
That's fair, and I can't say I disagree. Like I noted in a prior thread, I'm 100% for diversity, not AA.
I want to feed the hungry, but I'm not willing to steal from the bank accounts of affluent people to do it. Again, a noble intent which requires an immoral act to accomplish it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:55 pm to Jim Rockford
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Don't be obtuse.
Give a man credit for his achievements.
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I specified that I was talking about areas outside their field of expertise.
Ya, what can a darkie with no father who pulled his self out of poverty and became rich by operating on people's brains possibly have to offer?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:56 pm to son of arlo
You're pretty adept at setting up those strawmen. You ought to go into business.
I give Carson a hell of a lot of credit for being an ace neurosurgeon. For being a political commentator, not so much.
I give Carson a hell of a lot of credit for being an ace neurosurgeon. For being a political commentator, not so much.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:07 pm to Jim Rockford
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You're pretty adept at setting up those strawmen. You ought to go into business.
I give Carson a hell of a lot of credit for being an ace neurosurgeon. For being a political commentator, not so much.
quote:Even with the edits, that post is an odd take.
OTOH like a lot of smart people with big egos, he thinks his medical skill translates into his being a font of wisdom on any and alll subjects. Seems to be an occupational hazard with doctors especially.
If Carson has no basis for political commentary, what basis does Maddow, or Maher, or Matthews have?
. . . . or even Obama for that matter?
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:18 pm to NC_Tigah
He can say whatever he wants to, but his reputation as a surgeon carries no weight as to whether his opinion is worth anything on other issues. That's what I'm saying.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:27 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:A career dealing with thousands of life and death decisions, personal tragedy and triumph, unexpected outcome both good and bad carries no weight regarding other issues?
his reputation as a surgeon carries no weight as to whether his opinion is worth anything on other issues. That's what I'm saying.
So on what basis is Obama's opinion worth something?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:34 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Intersting position. So.. How can.... Oh.... I donno... Say.... A local street level community organizer form a meaningful opinion about national defense issues?
He can say whatever he wants to, but his reputation as a surgeon carries no weight as to whether his opinion is worth anything on other issues. That's what I'm saying.
Your position does however make it perfectly clear why we have professional career politicians, rather than common man type representation in Washington. Don't think it was the intent, tho.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:57 am to ST.TAMMANYTIGER
Heard him speak a few years ago. Honestly, don't know much about him, but he is very inspiring. He's a thinker. I like him. I think.
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