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re: Soldiers Hate the M4 and M16. The Pentagon Is Finally Doing Something about It.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 6:49 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 3/5/18 at 6:49 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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We need to swallow our pride and use the AK47.
:nahfrickallthat:
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Posted on 3/5/18 at 6:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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What are we talking about?
Not shooting paper. Don't know why you keep mentioning it. Reread the article in the OP
Posted on 3/5/18 at 6:51 pm to upgrayedd
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For decades, troops have been complaining about the limitations of the M16 rifle and M4 carbine, both of which are hindered by the same flawed operating system that makes the weapons jam easily. But after years of ignoring small arms in favor of expensive aircraft and warships, the Pentagon is taking a long, hard look at how to give the Army 11 Bang Bangs and Marine grunts a better weapon
They have tried this several times and still haven't found nor developed a true replacement. A true replacment is not going to happen if NATO stays committed to the 5.56. I can see an "evolved" version utilizing a mid length system and possibly even re engineer lower receiver and magazines to chamber the larger 90 grain and 100 grain 5.56 rounds. I just don't see any current weapons system that is a 5.56 caliber rifle out there there would make it worthwhile to replace the M4.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 6:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I wish I knew. I just know that if W45 is using an M4 in a gunfight we have worse problems than what type of round we are using
What are we talking about?
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:00 pm to upgrayedd
During Vietnam a 20 round mag would jam if ful especially big dirty. Where ways to fix
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:01 pm to Wolfhound45
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I wish I knew. I just know that if W45 is using an M4 in a gunfight we have worse problems than what type of round we are using
That goes double for me. At least you could say you had to defend your patients or something along those lines.
I just frick up the bad guy's routers and servers
If I'm in a firefight, shite went really, really bad somewhere. 
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:03 pm to mets69
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During Vietnam a 20 round mag would jam if ful especially big dirty. Where ways to fix
tap it on your k-pot like a bad arse.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:04 pm to texag7
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Don't know why you keep mentioning it.
It's the a-hole version of "your experience and opinions mean nothing to me."
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:04 pm to Centinel
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If I'm in a firefight, shite went really, really bad somewhere.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:05 pm to Centinel
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Wolfhound45
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Centinel
It's a good thing we have the men to do the heavy lifting.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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"your experience and opinions mean nothing to me."
likewise
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's a good thing we have the men to do the heavy lifting.
I guess manual labor is still a thing for people without skills these days.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:07 pm to texag7
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likewise
That's fine. Everyone here knows how to stack them.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:08 pm to Centinel
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manual labor
You'd be surprised how little you mind this when you're rich AF.
Get that GPEN yet?
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Get that GPEN yet?
Nah, I got...other...training on the red side instead.
This post was edited on 3/5/18 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Is that what they call it when those people perspire?
It's a good thing we have the men to do the heavy lifting.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:11 pm to Centinel
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I just frick up the bad guy's routers and servers
What is that, 25b?
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:12 pm to TaderSalad
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I had heard the reason we switched to the .223/5.56 in Vietnam was so that we wouldn't kill many enemy combatants. If we wounded them, then it would take 1-2 others to carry him out.
You heard wrong. The 5.56 was adopted because it kills people and Joe can carry lots of them compared to 7.62x51. The M16/M4 system is a fine method of introducing the enemy to the 5.56 .
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:13 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yeah, that's cool if you're killing paper and bragging to your friends about your grouping. For my uses, hard pass.
What do you not understand about more energy, less drop at distance, and higher inherent accuracy? How is that less superior in any way for any use? Be it in combat or shooting paper it wins outright.
Posted on 3/5/18 at 7:13 pm to northshorebamaman
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What is that, 25b?
25B is your basic help desk dude.
I'm a 17A.
Specifically on the OCO side of the house.
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