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Socialized Medicine - Waiting times to treat cancer across in the U.K. are worse than ever
Posted on 3/6/24 at 4:13 am
Posted on 3/6/24 at 4:13 am
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King Charles' diagnosis throws UK's long cancer treatment waiting times into sharp relief
Waiting times to diagnose and treat cancer across the U.K. have worsened in recent years and are at near record highs
By SYLVIA HUI
March 6, 2024
LONDON -- For Anna Gittins, three months would have spelled the difference between life and death.
The elementary school principal from Hereford in western England was shocked when she found out she had advanced colorectal cancer in 2022. But when she contacted her local hospital, she was told no one would be able to see her for three months “due to high demand and low capacity of senior doctors."
“I've just been diagnosed with stage 4 bowel cancer, metastasized to my liver. I don't have three months to wait,” she said, using another term for colorectal cancer. She was just 46.
Gittins had access to private health care and has since undergone surgery and chemotherapy. “I consider myself so lucky, but there are so many people who will die needlessly when more prompt treatment would help them,” she said. “And that's not fair. Not in a country like ours.”
Gittins is among thousands of people with cancer let down by Britain's National Health Service, a once-revered institution now widely seen to be in acute crisis due to years of underfunding and staff shortages......
The HealthCare Libs Long For Us To Have Here
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 4:33 am to NC_Tigah
As rand Paul eloquently said, "if you vote for socialists you will get socialism."
Many people think socialism is a good thing.
Many people are ignorant.
Many people think socialism is a good thing.
Many people are ignorant.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 6:14 am to ksayetiger
Healthcare for all means crappy Healthcare for all.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 6:25 am to NC_Tigah
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once-revered institution
Lol at the beginning. It simply took time for the inevitable problems to reveal themselves.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 6:28 am to NC_Tigah
Not only that, doctors in the UK make about 1/3rd what doctors in America make 
Posted on 3/6/24 at 7:18 am to NC_Tigah
Not just a UK problem. Similar or worse issues in other eurotrash countries and Canada. The bureaucracy always/eventually emerges to perpetuate the bureaucracy rather than focus on mission.
Rodo
Rodo
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 7:20 am
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:13 am to Rodo
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a once-revered institution now widely seen to be in acute crisis due to years of underfunding and staff shortages
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:16 am to NC_Tigah
The same people that complain about costs in US healthcare will buy a fast food combo meal for $15 multiple times a week
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:17 am to NC_Tigah
It is a feature, not a bug.
The longer you have to wait for treatment, the higher chance it is terminal when you get seen or that you die before your appointment.
Either way, it is fewer resources spent by National Health.
The longer you have to wait for treatment, the higher chance it is terminal when you get seen or that you die before your appointment.
Either way, it is fewer resources spent by National Health.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:19 am to NC_Tigah
Covid bailouts destroyed the last will to work. This is why society is breaking down faster than we can automate.
Service gaps are showing big time.
Service gaps are showing big time.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:20 am to Rodo
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. Similar or worse issues in other eurotrash countries and Canad
I think its worse in Canada, no one there wants to work anymore.
I know people hate immigration, but white native residents no longer want to work.
Something has to give.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think its worse in Canada, no one there wants to work anymore.
One side doesn’t want to work period and the other side sees them as paying freight for a bunch of fricking freeloaders.
It is the college class “communism in action” experiment writ large.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think its worse in Canada, no one there wants to work anymore.
I know people hate immigration, but white native residents no longer want to work.
Something has to give.
Make NOT working much less comfortable, and people will work or they will only barely subsist.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:50 am to AUauditor
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Make NOT working much less comfortable, and people will work or they will only barely subsist.
thats a big issue. if you dont mind living like trash you can have much of the same comforts of a middle class lifestyle living off of the government.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:05 am to NC_Tigah
The best thing to come out of long wait times at the ER and the inability see your doctor on the same day is the popping up of urgent care facilities on what seems like every street corner. They are everywhere and this it is great. Urgent care facilities are meeting the high demand for "urgent" medical treatment. Like a cut that needs two or three stitches. Your baby's weekend ear infection that needs amoxicillin to hold them over until they can get in with their pediatrician...at least your baby and you will get a good nights sleep that night before the pediatrician appointment as the antibiotic starts to kill the bacteria causing the ear infection.
I know urgent car facilities have nothing to do with the wait time associated with oncology appointments as in the OP, but my point is they are meeting a market demand that would not be allowed in a socialists system and it's great for the doctors and patients.
I know urgent car facilities have nothing to do with the wait time associated with oncology appointments as in the OP, but my point is they are meeting a market demand that would not be allowed in a socialists system and it's great for the doctors and patients.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:11 am to NC_Tigah
Had an ex-pat coworker about a decade ago. His daughter got diagnosed with throat cancer. He brought her to the US and paid for treatment out of pocket at MD Anderson, instead of getting that wonderful "free" care from NHS.
quote:Why should anyone have to pay twice? Government will do for medicine what it's done for education. Yeah, there are public schools, but in many cases, you won't send your kids there if you love them.
Gittins had access to private health care
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:13 am to teke184
quote:Yep. Giving the government a financial interest in killing me doesn't seem like a good idea. Especially, not with a government holding $35 trillion in debt.
It is a feature, not a bug.
The longer you have to wait for treatment, the higher chance it is terminal when you get seen or that you die before your appointment.
Either way, it is fewer resources spent by National Health.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:14 am to NC_Tigah
My grandfather died of a treatable lung disease, worked for the UK government almost his entire professional life and couldn't even get a reasonable appointment date at the end. My father is a British citizen, he needs surgeries in the near future and he's very thankful to be in the US for that treatment.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:16 am to diat150
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thats a big issue. if you dont mind living like trash you can have much of the same comforts of a middle class lifestyle living off of the government.
The other night, I was preparing a NYC resident's tax return. The only change she told me about from 2022 to 2023 was that she went from working half the year to the entire year. She has a 24 y/o college student child who paid no tuition - all grants and aid (so no education credits).
Her 2022 return had her receiving almost $4k in earned income tax credit. I knew, from the very start, with her pay up to $45k (not enough to survive on in Manhatten), she was not going to end up filing her return with me.
At the end of her return, I told her that her Federal "refund" was $74; she went ballistic. She could not believe she spent almost two hours on the phone and that was all the "refund" she was getting. She hung up...
When people wonder why some people vote Democrat, it is because they have grown accustomed to the taxpayer's teet.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:19 am to NC_Tigah
I would envision socialized medicine in the US to look very similar to the VA system. Patient mix obviously different but the care I witnessed (a long time ago) was vastly inferior to care I witnessed in other settings.
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