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Should somone who gives up his citizenship be labeled a traitor and charged w/ treason?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:02 pm
Is the act of just wanting to leave the United States considered treason?
Should the Federal government be able to forcefully detain people who want to leave?
Should the Federal government be able to forcefully detain people who want to leave?
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:02 pm to weagle99
Haven't been paying attention do those antifa idiots want to leave?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:05 pm to weagle99
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Is the act of just wanting to leave the United States considered treason?
No.
quote:
Should the Federal government be able to forcefully detain people who want to leave?
Hell no.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:05 pm to weagle99
I certainly hope not.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:06 pm to weagle99
WTF dude? 
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:06 pm to weagle99
No and no but what prompted the question?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:07 pm to weagle99
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Should the Federal government be able to forcefully detain people who want to leave?
You mean like the Communists did? Shoot people going the other way over the wall?
I've seen some real fricking stupid questions asked, but this takes the cake. Maybe you're trolling though.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:08 pm to northshorebamaman
Everyone keeps calling the old Southerners traitors because they wanted to leave and saying they should be charged with treason.
All they wanted to do was leave. Which wasn't illegal nor forbade by the Constitution. The war wasn't started because they wanted to overthrow the Federal government. They just wanted out.
All they wanted to do was leave. Which wasn't illegal nor forbade by the Constitution. The war wasn't started because they wanted to overthrow the Federal government. They just wanted out.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:10 pm to weagle99
quote:Regardless of what one think about this, your example is a terrible attempt at a gotcha.
Everyone keeps calling the old Southerners traitors because they wanted to leave and saying they should be charged with treason.
All they wanted to do was leave. Which wasn't illegal nor forbade by the Constitution.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:12 pm to buckeye_vol
How is it different on a fundamental level?
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:16 pm to weagle99
This is stupid
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:16 pm to weagle99
quote:They weren't leaving. They wanted to declare a piece of the United States as their own without leaving.
How is it different on a fundamental level?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:19 pm to mmcgrath
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How is it different on a fundamental level?
They weren't leaving. They wanted to declare a piece of the United States as their own without leaving.
You didn't expect him to know the difference, did you?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:19 pm to mmcgrath
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They weren't leaving. They wanted to declare a piece of the United States as their own without leaving.
Calexit??... fricking traitors... let's kill em
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:20 pm to weagle99
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How is it different on a fundamental level?
Because they wanted to take territory with them. Regardless of your opinion on the civil war, that's a colossal distinction.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:21 pm to weagle99
Absolutely not..but once you leave I say there is no trading back, we don't like Indian citizens...wait..
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:25 pm to weagle99
quote:No. Do you even understand why most people give up citizenship.
Is the act of just wanting to leave the United States considered treason?
Most of those people live in other countries and don't want to have to pay taxes to 2 different countries. Make a honest, sane tax code and people won't have to renounce citizenship. Citizens living in other countries shouldn't have to pay anything close to full taxes to this country.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:29 pm to mmcgrath
That would assume that the United States owned all the states in the 19th Century, which wasn't the case pre-secession.
Also, taking property isn't in the definition of treason.
The definition clearly states that treason involves actively trying to overthrow one's government, which wasn't the case with the Confederates.
Also, taking property isn't in the definition of treason.
The definition clearly states that treason involves actively trying to overthrow one's government, which wasn't the case with the Confederates.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:30 pm to weagle99
quote:
Is the act of just wanting to leave the United States considered treason?
I'm going with no
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Should the Federal government be able to forcefully detain people who want to leave?
Need more information. I'd think if you're fleeing to avoid some kind of criminal or civil judgment, then yes. If you're just peacing out, then no.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:34 pm to weagle99
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However, the Chief Justice gave the Davis team another interesting argument for dropping the treason charge. Chase asked if a person could be prosecuted for treason against the US if he were not a US citizen. Clearly, no. Then Chase asked if there was a reference to the concept of a US citizen in the Constitution. Again, there was not. A person could only be a citizen of his state. Therefore, by proving that the US had no citizens, Davis couldn’t be tried for treason against the US. It was a clever argument that has never been used again as far as we know.
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