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re: Shortsighted move by Florida

Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:44 am to
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:44 am to
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Liberal and MSM: Corporations need to pay their fair share!!


Also liberals and MSM: Except when it comes to our favorite pedo-grooming company. LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!



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Nick Papantonis, WFTV.com
April 21, 2022 at 11:24 pm EDT
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — One of the biggest myths circulating on the internet is that the end of Reedy Creek will finally force Disney to pay its fair share of taxes, boosting the economies of Florida and the counties its resorts are located in.

Let’s dispel that rumor right now: not only is it wrong, it’s the opposite that will take effect.

This much is true: the Reedy Creek Improvement District is an extension of Disney that shields the company from oversight others have. The theme park operator taxes itself and gives itself permission to build whatever, wherever so long as it follows building codes and other state and federal laws.

What Reedy Creek isn’t is a replacement for the counties it exists in. Disney still pays the same property taxes levied by the government and the school district that every other landowner pays. Orange County, for example, collected $40 million from the House of Mouse in 2021, Tax Collector Scott Randolph (D) said.

So, how does Reedy Creek operate its own fire and sewer departments? The special tax district status allows Disney to levy an additional tax on itself to pay for those services. The tax, amounting to $105 million per year, is illegal anywhere else in the county, along with the additional $58 million per year the company taxes itself to pay off Reedy Creek’s bond debt.

When the district is dismantled on June 1, 2023, Orange County will begin paying for those services and paying off the debt, without that special status in place.

“The moment that Reedy Creek doesn’t exist is the moment that that those taxes don’t exist,” Randolph said. “Orange County can’t just slap a new taxing district onto that area and recoup the money that was lost.”

Effectively, Disney’s loss of control also hands it a $163 million per year tax break. If the entire state of Florida was responsible for covering the hole, each taxpayer would have to cough up roughly $7.50.

However, this burden will not be shared equally. Despite zero debate or public comment, and the near-total opposition of Central Florida’s delegation to this maneuver, Orange and Osceola County taxpayers will shoulder the hit alone, leaving both counties staring at financial ruin.

Salvaging the budgets won’t be pretty. State law prevents the counties from raising sales taxes or impact fees to cover the costs. They also must tax all areas of the county equally, meaning whatever they enact must apply to everyone.

That leaves one avenue: property taxes, of which Orange County collects approximately $600 million per year right now.

“I don’t see how Orange County doesn’t raise property taxes by 20% to 25%,” Randolph said. “That’s what [the county] would probably have to do to cover this financial situation.”




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Sounds like they've been paying more than their fair share and now that's going away.
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:48 am to

This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 5:00 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
28061 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:54 am to
Shortsighted post by RedRifle

Disney has been doing business in Cali forever, yet . . . .

* There are now more theme parks in Fla
* There are now more Disney hotels in Fla
* There are now more DVC properties in Fla
* They just moved a chunk of employees from Cali to Fla

Now tell me again who was short sighted in openly wanting to groom 4 years olds about gay sex?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79479 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:55 am to
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Wonder how it feels to be a parent and look into your child’s eyes, one that is not “normal”, and tell them they are abnormal.



In what regard? Kids who have gender dysphoria need help and loving parents who won't bend the rules of science and reason to adapt their family to an insane and destructive culture with nefarious motives.

I'm not talking about kids who are gay, or who have issues with dysphoria, etc. I'm talking about families who recognize that 5 year olds who think they're girls need time to be kids and to grow up and usually out of whatever phase their in, and come to grips with the fact that they're boys who may have different feelings and interests than other boys, which is fine.

The abnormal people are the ones who don't want to do those things, who want to push their children with forming minds into culturally-created boxes that will confuse them and lead them to utter despair in order to satiate some twisted adult desire. That's what isn't normal.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39689 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:56 am to
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I understand it can get confusing when you think you're adhering to the small-government conservative ideology. A rule of thumb is that when the government is raising taxes on people with which you don't agree, big government is good.


You are not letting go of this retarded non sequitur, are you?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:56 am to
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Which clearly makes you mad

What makes you think I'm mad? Perhaps you're projecting. I'm actually quite entertained by the gymnastics required by the ideologues to try to maintain some semblance of consistency.
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special treatment for corporations is suddenly a core value of leftists

Are you surprised that leftists as well as rightists are inconsistent? That's just where adhering to ideologies will get you - conflicted.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
9838 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:56 am to
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There was a lot of talk about Disney moving it’s HQ to Florida and in 2021 they moved a large group of execs out of California to Florida. Florida should be courting Disney not actively trying to kick them out.


frick California and frick Disney.

They deserve each other.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:58 am to
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You are not letting go of this retarded non sequitur, are you?

I'm not the one clinging to it.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39689 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:59 am to
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I'm talking about families who recognize that 5 year olds who think they're girls need time to be kids and to grow up and usually out of whatever phase their in, and come to grips with the fact that they're boys who may have different feelings and interests than other boys, which is fine.


wrong! you saw their tiny gonads off, pump them full of hormones and puberty blockers, sue any dissenting family members into bankruptcy, then sit back as the mental and emotional instability builds into a suicidal crescendo. Duh.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
18221 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:00 am to
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This is fricking stupid. Where did people get the idea that states need to be fellating corporations at the expense of their own principles?

Probably from the same legislators and governor who passed and signed a bill that let Disney be the only social media platform who can censor people, 11 long months ago
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And why arent you condemning Disney for openly defying the Florida Government for passing a bill that had 60%+ support (including a majority of Florida democrats) of its citizens?

Why does Desantis get a pass for his anti marijuana stance, that voters literally passed with over 60% support? The man has actively fought to keep recreational off the ballot, allowing citizens to decide for ourselves.
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And as for Disney moving from Cali to Florida.... Even if all tax incentives were dissolved, its would still be better for Disney to be based in Florida, but this wouldnt even be a question if Cali hadnt ruined itself by bending to liberal wokeism over the years, like you apparently want Florida to do.

Disney isn't the only business in Florida Desantis has kowtowed to in the past. Our dysfunctional sports gaming was granted a 3 decade government sanctioned monopoly on an industry, based solely on ethnicity. frick that noise.

Desantis had an eviction moratorium before Trump put the cdc in charge of giving away people's property, for free. Dude is into my pockets for 5 figures. The worst part is, there isn't gonna be a better option come November
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38431 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:00 am to
frick Disney
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39689 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:01 am to
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I'm not the one clinging to it.


Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59426 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:01 am to
Some of us aren't "small government conservatives". It's a nice little ideology, but it's impracticable in this day and age. I'm someone on the right who wants to use the government to smash your progressive agenda. And I mean like Rome salting the earth of Carthage. Once that's accomplished, we can discuss "small government".
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48924 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:01 am to
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Only a person lacking in the convictions of their own beliefs would call increasing government regulation on a business as


They are literally taking a law that was passed OFF of the books. That is, by definition, less regulation.

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:05 am to
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your progressive agenda

What's my "progressive agenda"?

Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114198 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:05 am to
Its not popular to say it on here, but its a dumb move. It's a move not in the best interest of the state. Its a move by DeSantis to help him win the Republican Primary in 2024.


Florida needs Disney more than Disney needs Florida.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59426 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:07 am to
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What's my "progressive agenda"?

Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.


Don't even care. If you subscribe to any flavor of it, or defend any aspect of it, even from an academic perspective, you're part and parcel of it. Smashed.
Posted by LCA131
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Member since Feb 2008
72640 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:07 am to
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Florida needs Disney more than Disney needs Florida.




You figger they are gonna pack it up and move it somewhere?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39689 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:07 am to
Rescinding a state level corporate tax incentive has literally fricking nothing to do with the size of government writ large.

Don't let the liberal troll frame the debate into something its not.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39689 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:08 am to
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What's my "progressive agenda"?

Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.


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