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re: Sessions: No need to reform civil forfeiture rules ...
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:19 pm to tiderider
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:19 pm to tiderider
quote:way to get both sides of the story Jeff.
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) opposed any reform, saying he has heard from police groups across the country who said civil-asset forfeiture is an important law enforcement tool. Ending the sharing of seized cash with local departments “would be a huge detriment to law enforcement,” Sessions said.
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:31 pm to tiderider
Sessions sees no need to reform civil forfeiture rules.
Trump has often pushed the use of acquiring property by imminent domain.
Similar attitudes regarding private property?
Trump has often pushed the use of acquiring property by imminent domain.
Similar attitudes regarding private property?
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/19/16 at 5:21 am to crazycubes
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quote:Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) opposed any reform, saying he has heard from police groups across the country who said civil-asset forfeiture is an important law enforcement tool. Ending the sharing of seized cash with local departments “would be a huge detriment to law enforcement,” Sessions said. way to get both sides of the story Jeff.
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Police charged the couple with transporting approximately $300,0000 worth of cocaine. Griffin remembers being too stunned to react, telling KUTV:
“I told him, 'I've never had two nickels to rub together, are you crazy?' Then [the police officer] said, 'I’ve never had two nickels to rub together either, but now I’m the owner of your truck.'"
Posted on 11/19/16 at 5:32 am to tiderider
Confirmation of Sessions and reform of the law are not mutually exclusive. May be both are possible.
Posted on 11/19/16 at 6:49 am to JawjaTigah
judging by what he said 18 months ago (a very short time in a long political career), it would seem they are not ...
Posted on 11/19/16 at 7:24 am to tiderider
frick sessions on this
Posted on 11/19/16 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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a. he's right b. he's giving the GOP a path to actually make inroads with minorities. instead y'all are doubling down ostracizing and marginalizing them
Oh yeah...like allowing drug dealers to retain their profits or importing Islamists and subsidizing them will make "inroads".
Posted on 11/19/16 at 7:43 am to tiderider
What is civil asset forfeiture
Idealisticly you find a show box of Crack and $20s, and cops take it and don't not return?
Idealisticly you find a show box of Crack and $20s, and cops take it and don't not return?
This post was edited on 11/19/16 at 7:44 am
Posted on 11/19/16 at 8:03 am to thelawnwranglers
The civil asset forfeiture laws were relaxed about a year or so ago and widely discussed on this board at the time as a major step in the right direction. If I recall correctly, that was based on congressional action, not action by the attorney general, who cannot himself change the law or enact new new laws. I have worked with many cities and the police are crying about the loss of federal revenue sharing from asset forfeiture, the net result being that local police aren't as willing to apply their own efforts to support federal action that would result in seizures of property. This is a good thing as it has removed a lot of incentive for aggressive police actions.
While I see a lot of bitching here about Sessions, and agree on the need for further reform, let's be realistic about what an AG can and cannot do. The reform legislation effort needs to be promoted and supported at a local/state level and also through congressional reform measures. The AG is not, repeat, not involved in crafting and promoting legislation.
The real important position is in placing people like Paul in congress who understand and support our rights.
While I see a lot of bitching here about Sessions, and agree on the need for further reform, let's be realistic about what an AG can and cannot do. The reform legislation effort needs to be promoted and supported at a local/state level and also through congressional reform measures. The AG is not, repeat, not involved in crafting and promoting legislation.
The real important position is in placing people like Paul in congress who understand and support our rights.
Posted on 11/19/16 at 8:06 am to HubbaBubba
I know a decade ago or more 60 minutes did a thing about people traveling airlines with a lot of cash getting seized. It was bullshite
Posted on 11/19/16 at 8:21 am to tiderider
hope trump changes his mind on this clown.
off course cops want to take money, just like other gangsters
off course cops want to take money, just like other gangsters
Posted on 11/19/16 at 8:38 am to RCDfan1950
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.like allowing drug dealers to retain their profits
CAF hurts innocent people who have not done anything wrong/criminal
that's the problem. it's not about drug dealers
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or importing Islamists and subsidizing them
what does this have to do with CAF?
Posted on 11/19/16 at 8:41 am to HubbaBubba
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The civil asset forfeiture laws were relaxed about a year or so ago and widely discussed on this board at the time as a major step in the right direction. If I recall correctly, that was based on congressional action, not action by the attorney general,
nope. it was a DOJ rule and not congressional action
they relaxed them, then undid that
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The program became so abused that the original reason it was suspended last year was a lack of funds – the program had grown too large, and federal budget cuts meant that the Department of Justice could no longer afford to continue operations.
Lynch has apparently found the money, however, and that'll mean that local authorities will continue to be able to seize from ordinary Americans who aren't charged with crimes.
Posted on 11/19/16 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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yup i won't even wait 6 months like i said earlier frick Jeff Sessions
Not familiar with the details of the CF law, is the law in place to recoup restitution for the criminals victims or just a money grab for law enforcement?
Posted on 11/19/16 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
informed citizenry and all that ...
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The state and federal agencies argued that because there had been drug arrests on 30 different occasions, the property was theirs for the taking. The Caswells, though, had rented rooms in the motel more than 125,000 times over a period of 17 years.
Though the federal government and local police department contended they had seized the property because of the crimes committed there, Caswell believes they wanted to sell Motel Caswell for a profit.
And when Caswell filed a lawsuit challenging the seizure, a DEA agent confirmed his suspicions.
During depositions, Special Agent Vincent Kelly told lawyers that he was tasked with finding properties to be forfeited. Often times, he said, the agency wouldn’t go after a property unless an owner had more than $50,000 worth of equity.
Motel Caswell was worth $2 million.
but, hey, frick caswell ... nothing about that needs to be reformed ... a government bureaucrat like sessions has just as much right to your property as you ...
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The state and federal agencies argued that because there had been drug arrests on 30 different occasions, the property was theirs for the taking. The Caswells, though, had rented rooms in the motel more than 125,000 times over a period of 17 years.
Though the federal government and local police department contended they had seized the property because of the crimes committed there, Caswell believes they wanted to sell Motel Caswell for a profit.
And when Caswell filed a lawsuit challenging the seizure, a DEA agent confirmed his suspicions.
During depositions, Special Agent Vincent Kelly told lawyers that he was tasked with finding properties to be forfeited. Often times, he said, the agency wouldn’t go after a property unless an owner had more than $50,000 worth of equity.
Motel Caswell was worth $2 million.
but, hey, frick caswell ... nothing about that needs to be reformed ... a government bureaucrat like sessions has just as much right to your property as you ...
Posted on 11/19/16 at 9:49 am to Meauxjeaux
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Havent read about it and didnt see it, but Paul is an IDIOT of the highest degree if he said this.
Civil forfeiture needs strong reform and it has ZERO to do with minorities.
Way to play the game with old rules Paul.
Lulz. Melt bitch.
Posted on 11/19/16 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
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I mean look, Trump did run as a "Law and Order candidate" and got heavy backing from police unions
We should eliminate the police. They don't do anything for us, they steal our property, they murder people in the streets, and they arrest people for victimless crimes. Just get rid of them. A fricking cancer on our society.
Posted on 11/19/16 at 10:03 am to MrCarton
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We should eliminate the police. They don't do anything for us, they steal our property, they murder people in the streets, and they arrest people for victimless crimes. Just get rid of them. A fricking cancer on our society.
I was wondering why you were such a pusher of Paul, but I didn't know you were a liberal so this makes sense.
Libertarianism is just a way for liberals to try to get support in the republican tent. Open borders, open trade, nothing conservative.
Posted on 11/19/16 at 10:06 am to Bass Tiger
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is the law in place to recoup restitution for the criminals victims or just a money grab for law enforcement?
it was enacted to hit drug dealers where it hurts (their pocket books) and the laws were so broad that a conviction isn't necessary. the government wanted to be able to cripple drug dealers early on by seizing their property to prevent a defense and the ability of the defendant to flee
it has become a big money grab for LEO b/c the laws are so slanted for LEO
like, many departments allocate expected seizure revenue into budgets. think about that
Posted on 11/19/16 at 10:06 am to MrCarton
Does AG change this or congress?
Why has it not already been reformed? Does this mean Obama hates black people?
He dumbasses this has nothing to do with race!
Why has it not already been reformed? Does this mean Obama hates black people?
He dumbasses this has nothing to do with race!
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