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re: Serious question: What did the Russians do?
Posted on 6/24/17 at 8:27 am to Sidicous
Posted on 6/24/17 at 8:27 am to Sidicous
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NBC just stated it was 3 things: internet trolls; hacking/phishing DNC; and attempting hacking of several states voter registries. (per NBC Nightly News Hallee Jackson report)
Interesting. Let's break these down
Internet trolls: Is this anything that the GOP, conservatives or other internet trolls were already doing? And, lets not forget the DNC had their own internet trolls spreading false information. You know, Gays and Muslims to camps, people literally dying in the streets when ObamaCare is repealed, etc.
Hacking/Phishing DNC: Cettainly not good, but the e-mails showed the truth, did they not? nobody, not the DNC not Hillary, NOBODY denied the e-mails were not legitimate.
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and attempting hacking of several states voter registries.
ATTEMPTING is the key word in this one. It was not successful. And if it was, then it is the Democrats fault. Obama and all the other Dems came out and said the election could not be hacked. I saw one video in which one DNC (I think it was Obama) said that it had been scientifically proven the election could not be hacked. (Scientifically? Seriously? Of course, thatw as before Trump won)
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The DHS was shown to have attempted to hack multiple times on the election day/evening at least 5 states. Where's the Russians proof?
Truth is, at best it's speculation and proof less accusations against Russia.
Exactly!
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Posted on 6/24/17 at 8:40 am to a want
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a want
I am acknowledging that the Russians interfered. The question is, how and to what extent?
So far, I have seen only a propaganda campaign (not illegal) and the phishing and possibly hacking of the DNC (a private organization).
Possibly an attempted hacking of some state election offices.
None of this seems like anything that we don't do to other countries. And certainly doesn't seem big enough to go to battle with one of the few other superpowers in the world.
China attempts to hack everything from the White House to the DOD. Why don't we hear about Muh Chinese?
This post was edited on 6/24/17 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/24/17 at 9:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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China attempts to hack everything from the White House to the DOD. Why don't we hear about Muh Chinese?
Because Trump tried to ease Russian (not Chinese) sanctions
How the Trump administration’s secret efforts to ease Russia sanctions fell short
Because the president welcomed the hacking of HRC's emails by Russians - not China
Trump encourages Russian hacking
Because there have been virtually NO steps taken to prevent Russian hacking in the future
Trump White House Has Taken Little Action To Stop Next Election Hack
Because Trump refuses to critiscize Putin, who murders his political opponents and members of the media who publish unflattering stories about him. NOTE: Every single member of the Senate affirms that Russia is an ENEMY of the US.
Litvinenko: Not first Putin critic to end up dead -- or last
Because several of Trump's team have worked closely with (not Chinese but) Russian oligarchs and Russian big banks (Manafort, Carter Page, Roger Stone)
Manafort's ties to pro-russian Ukranian leaders
Page links to Russia
Roger Stone under investigation
Because Trump has refused to acknowledge (until yesterday) the attacks by Russia (not China) happened at all - even though all 17 US Security Agencies agree that they did
WP
Because the official GOP platform/position on Ukraine (not China) changed to be more Russia-friendly right around the Republican Convention (which happened around one of the big wikileaks releases).
Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine
Because several of his staff have lied multiple times about their Russian contacts
Trump campaing had repeated contacts with Russians
Because Trump's close associates have relationships with Russia not China
Intelligence Committee will investigate possible Russia-Trump links
Because Trump fired Comey and admitted it was because of Russia after sending his staff out to lie
Comey
Because despite firing/throwing everyone under the bus (in his administration and entire life) he tries to protect Flynn
Who told Flynn to call Russia
Of course "collusion" has not been proven. It may never be proven. Hell, it may have never happened. But if you're still wondering if the Russians did anything wrong, and if you can't acknowledge that an investigation into this is appropriate and necessary, then I can't help you. Nothing will change your mind.
This post was edited on 6/24/17 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/24/17 at 9:50 am to a want
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The 'independent' hits melt day 240
MAGA in yo face!!
Posted on 6/24/17 at 9:51 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:They laughed their arse off at how easily the sheople are herded.
Serious question: What did the Russians do?
Next question?
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:03 am to a want
How do you not realize how stupid you sound?
Former campaign advisor contracts to Ukrainian, Ukrainians are sympathetic to russians, therefor trump = traitor!
Trump runs a multinational. Business interest around the world including Russia. Therefore trump = traitor!
Trump is elected president. Transition team begins talks with world leaders, including Russia. Therefore trump = traitor.
All of this speculation and supposition to get to the conclusion you desire, yet you ignote one Obama era offical's testimony after the next revealing that they have nothing. They aren't even investigating him. Bernie is being investigated, Hillary is being investigated, but not trump. Yet here you are, talking about trump. Odd.
Former campaign advisor contracts to Ukrainian, Ukrainians are sympathetic to russians, therefor trump = traitor!
Trump runs a multinational. Business interest around the world including Russia. Therefore trump = traitor!
Trump is elected president. Transition team begins talks with world leaders, including Russia. Therefore trump = traitor.
All of this speculation and supposition to get to the conclusion you desire, yet you ignote one Obama era offical's testimony after the next revealing that they have nothing. They aren't even investigating him. Bernie is being investigated, Hillary is being investigated, but not trump. Yet here you are, talking about trump. Odd.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:46 am to a want
The president of China stayed at Mar A Lago.
Are you suggesting that China has a better human rights record than Russia?
And anyone who brings up Trump's comment about the Russians and Hillary's e-mail proves themselves to be a partisan hack. That was clearly a joke, and even if taken literally would only mean "if you already have them, then release them."
Regardless, Hillary Clinton proved that she was careless with internet security. There was no doubt to anyone at that time that multiple hackers from around the world had her e-mails and other information.
Are you suggesting that China has a better human rights record than Russia?
And anyone who brings up Trump's comment about the Russians and Hillary's e-mail proves themselves to be a partisan hack. That was clearly a joke, and even if taken literally would only mean "if you already have them, then release them."
Regardless, Hillary Clinton proved that she was careless with internet security. There was no doubt to anyone at that time that multiple hackers from around the world had her e-mails and other information.
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