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re: Senator Cruz doubles down on Net Neutrality argument
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:34 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:34 am to mmcgrath
quote:Awesome breakdown.....
It's more of making sure that traffic is treated equally. So an ISP cannot slow down any traffic from NetFlix or Amazon video while keeping their content at full speed. Maybe they don't like tigerdroppings so they decide that downloads to their customers from tigerdroppings run really really slow.
To further the point. Say you have Comcast and someone else has Verizon. Comcast wants to charge tigerdroppings, but TD refuses. So now when you click on links on the Poli Board threads take close to a minute to open up. When you try to post half of your requests time out. Your broadband connection appears to act like an old dial up connection. Yet at the same time, someone on Verizon can post as fast as they want and see the board normally. At the end of the day you might give up and go to another site because you figure that TD just sucks. You can't see when its the middle guy (Comcast) who is really screwing things up for you. You lose out. TD loses out. If TD doesn't want to lose half of its customers, it has to pay an extra fee to Comcast. Of course then Verizon can start doing the same thing.
Net Neutrality would prevent Comcast from discriminating against traffic based on who is supplying it.
How is this fixed. But I can't help but think if Obama is for it, there are alternative measures, which could lead to content censorship just like the FCC did with conservative radio.
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:40 am to dante
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How is this fixed.
net neutrality.
it was the law of the land a year ago, until the court struck down the FCCs power to regulate net neutrality without designating ISPs common carriers.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:44 am to mmcgrath
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I don't think he understands the history of the telephone either.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:49 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Mostly that he points to a telephone as if to show how regulation was bad and kept it the same whereas the telephone became the lifeline of business and personal communication in the US and continued to innovate throughout its time. Much of the infrastructure that was used to support "land-lines" provided the backbone that made cellular communication possible.
NC_Tigah
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:51 am to mmcgrath
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uch of the infrastructure that was used to support "land-lines" provided the backbone that made cellular communication possible.
and created the very monopolies that are causing the issues today. it's crony capitalism on a grand scale
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:There were a ton of mergers and buyouts that caused that in the cellular world, which is a completely different issue in an unregulated environment.
and created the very monopolies that are causing the issues today. it's crony capitalism on a grand scale
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:55 am to mmcgrath
I don't even get WTF he's talking about.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:55 am to mmcgrath
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There were a ton of mergers and buyouts that caused that in the cellular world, which is a completely different issue in an unregulated environment.
our cable providers, who are causing the issues for NN, are formed from the same government-backed systems that telephone companies were
Posted on 11/18/14 at 12:03 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I don't even get WTF he's talking about.
I think some Republicans are getting cocky because of the midterms and think they can make controversies out of thin air and get support. Unfortunately, to some extent, they are right. They could literally spout BS, and some people would support them fully knowing it is BS, while others will support them fully buying into the BS. This thread and the one on the Furgusen "target map" are perfect examples.
It is getting to the point where it is scary.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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our cable providers, who are causing the issues for NN, are formed from the same government-backed systems that telephone companies were
This is not true. This is a failure of free-market capitalism that only the government can fix.
ETA: I'm being sarcastic.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:32 pm to teke184
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FYI, AT&T has already stopped development of their planned fiber optic upgrades in 100 cities because of Obama's announcement because they want to know what rules their investment will be governed under before they put cash on the barrel head.
Another example of capitalist running-dog imperialists at work once again hoarding this unfairly gained profits from the 1990s.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:41 pm to GoBigOrange86
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quote:
our cable providers, who are causing the issues for NN, are formed from the same government-backed systems that telephone companies were
This is not true. This is a failure of free-market capitalism that only the government can fix.
Absolutely and unequivocally false.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:44 pm to dante
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Awesome breakdown.....
Negative Ghostrider... unless you're saying his analysis of NN is breathtaking in the degree his take bereft of of any cognitive thought.
For just one time. That's all I'm hoping for. For one time can't we all agree to keep the govt from controlling something else?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:02 pm to dante
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It's more of making sure that traffic is treated equally. So an ISP cannot slow down any traffic from NetFlix or Amazon video while keeping their content at full speed. Maybe they don't like tigerdroppings so they decide that downloads to their customers from tigerdroppings run really really slow. To further the point. Say you have Comcast and someone else has Verizon. Comcast wants to charge tigerdroppings, but TD refuses. So now when you click on links on the Poli Board threads take close to a minute to open up. When you try to post half of your requests time out. Your broadband connection appears to act like an old dial up connection. Yet at the same time, someone on Verizon can post as fast as they want and see the board normally. At the end of the day you might give up and go to another site because you figure that TD just sucks. You can't see when its the middle guy (Comcast) who is really screwing things up for you. You lose out. TD loses out. If TD doesn't want to lose half of its customers, it has to pay an extra fee to Comcast. Of course then Verizon can start doing the same thing. Net Neutrality would prevent Comcast from discriminating against traffic based on who is supplying it.
Tigerdroppings could respond by posting average download times of ISPs for their consumers to see. Consumer sees that Comcast is gumming up his favorite site...he changes to Verizon who doesnt
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:36 pm to bamafan1001
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It's more of making sure that traffic is treated equally.
There's the narrative right there. Each and every TCPIP packet has equal standing under the lay.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:41 pm to mmcgrath
quote:I'm still confused. Are we saying most of the "backbone of cellular communication" is public infrastructure?
Much of the infrastructure that was used to support "land-lines" provided the backbone that made cellular communication possible.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well i will say this
if we do start major regulations on the internet, all of the provider that exist that we all hate will basically be given monopolies over their fiefdoms. these monopolistic actions only occurred due to government, and more government will just strengthen them more
someone is going to offer what people want and this issue will resolve itself.
I just wish people understood this
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:43 pm to Stuckinthe90s
quote:The FCC has regulated the Internet since its inception. The proposed rules are only shifting the regulation from one statutory authority to another.
I am very much for net neutrality. But I am completely against the FCC or any government agency regulating the internet.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:43 pm to bamafan1001
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Tigerdroppings could respond by posting average download times of ISPs for their consumers to see. Consumer sees that Comcast is gumming up his favorite site...he changes to Verizon who doesnt
That would be great if most consumers had more than just one or two potential providers in their area. In Baton Rouge, some neighborhoods have only Cox, while others can also have AT&T. Anything else and you're f&%ked. At least in Ascension there's EATEL.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:00 pm to DelU249
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