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Senate Parliamentarian rules that multiple BCRA provisions violate Byrd rule
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:54 pm
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quote:I called the abortion stuff a while back, but the most important thing here is the essential health benefits changes. Those are pretty key to holding up the conservative wing and if it gets sent back to the House without them the Freedom Caucus will shite bricks.
Notably, the parliamentarian has advised that abortion restrictions on the premium tax credit and the small business tax credit, and the language defunding Planned Parenthood, violate the Byrd Rule. Further, the “Buffalo Bailout” which was used to secure votes in the House has also been found to violate the Byrd Rule – threatening other state-specific buy-offs.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 4:55 pm
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:55 pm to Iosh
Named after Robert Byrd?
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:56 pm to Iosh
12 pages of Robert Byrd was in the Klan
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:58 pm to Iosh
Why does the senate follow the rules of a Klansman?
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:58 pm to Lakeboy7
Did you know the Democrats did slavery?????
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:58 pm to Lakeboy7
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12 pages of Robert Byrd was in the Klan
12 pages of Clinton #whataboutisms
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:59 pm to Iosh
Isn't there a way to overrule the parliamentarian with a vote?
ETA: was thinking House would have the votes. Senate Republicans can't even agree the sun will come up. Nevermind.
ETA: was thinking House would have the votes. Senate Republicans can't even agree the sun will come up. Nevermind.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:59 pm to Iosh
quote:
Did you know the Democrats did slavery?????
Absolutely
Posted on 7/21/17 at 5:01 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:
12 pages of Robert Byrd was in the Klan
But David Duke...
Posted on 7/21/17 at 5:02 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Pence can overrule the parliamentarian, but some Senators might be hesitant to do that because it's essentially the nuclear option by another name.
Isn't there a way to overrule the parliamentarian with a vote?
Posted on 7/21/17 at 5:09 pm to Iosh
So some fricking unelected appointee runs the senate?
Awesome!
Awesome!
Posted on 7/21/17 at 5:51 pm to boosiebadazz
Change rules
Posted on 7/21/17 at 5:53 pm to Iosh
I assume this cat was asleep in 2009.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 5:59 pm to Iosh
quote:
because it's essentially the nuclear option by another name
That's a stretch. In any case, the GOP seems like it can't get to 50 votes on anything. They need to completely forget about tax reform and focus entirely on health care until they get something done about insurance mandates and essential benefits. Time is working against them right now, and this Trump-Russia thing is a slow moving lava flow that is soon going to destroy everything in its wake.
Not only that, but the GOP also seems to be losing the white women's vote on health care issues and how the whole debate is being framed. Trump isn't helping because he doesn't understand the issues well enough to get ahead and lead the framing.
There was an article in The Atlantic showing that white women without college degrees voted 63-35 for Republicans over Democrats in the 2016 elections (including 61% for Trump), but their support for Trump has plummeted by 19% to 42% for Trump.
A recent Sabato's Crystal Ball report predicts a the Republicans losing close to 30 seats in the House in 2018 (assuming generic party Congressional ballots hold constant).
I'm not optimistic on getting out a moral message to the poor, uneducated moms and grandmoms of America that big government health care is bad for them and their kids... even though it is.
The 2018 elections were the perfect setup for the Republicans to get close to 60 seats in the Senate (the first time over 55 seats since 1922). Now everything seems to be slipping quickly out of their grasps. If they don't repeal ObamaCare within the next year, they're done as a party. If they need to go nuclear and bribe everyone to get it done, then so be it. This will be their last shot.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 6:03 pm to the808bass
That would be Alan Frumin. Elizabeth MacDonough didn't assume the office until 2012. They're both Democrats though.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 6:44 pm to Iosh
quote:
it's essentially the nuclear option by another name.
Sort of. It has the same effect, but works on budgetary bills passed by what is called reconciliation, which is supposed to cut down on the time it takes to pass revenue bills. Reconciliation requires 51 votes in the House and Senate to pass. The Senate rules restrict debate (filibustering) on reconciliation bills. On the non-budgetary items of a bill, there is no restriction on filibustering in the Senate (under present rules), so it takes 60 votes to kill filibustering (and pass the bill) in the Senate on the non-budgetary items.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 6:55 pm to Iosh
He's not the last word.
President of the Senate ia.
President of the Senate ia.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 6:58 pm to udtiger
quote:
He's not the last word.
President of the Senate iS.
thats VP Pence
Posted on 7/21/17 at 8:29 pm to CelticDog
Yup
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:24 pm to udtiger
Pence is going to be POTUS; maybe 10 or 11 years
hes not going to reverse the parliamentarian just to make Trump happy SOMETHING passed.
hes not going to reverse the parliamentarian just to make Trump happy SOMETHING passed.
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