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Russian interference...Can someone explain what exactly Russia did?
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:06 pm
Can someone explain what exactly Russia did and what Trump is accused of doing ?
I don't really understand the uproar by the Dems .
I don't really understand the uproar by the Dems .
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:33 pm
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:14 pm to FutureRATeammember
-Hillary supposedly sabotages putin in Russian elections as US Secretary of State, she loses.
-Putin supposedly sabotages Clinton in this election by hacking DNC and exposing corruption. She loses
-Donald trump doesn't hate putin
-Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate in the history of the United States and should be president is the only logical answer
-Putin supposedly sabotages Clinton in this election by hacking DNC and exposing corruption. She loses
-Donald trump doesn't hate putin
-Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate in the history of the United States and should be president is the only logical answer
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:16 pm to Teauxler
I guess they are upset that evil Russian hackers may have exposed Hillary's corruption, thus interfering in the election. They have no evidence for this and I don't see how it's even close to a crime even if they did it. But, you know, they are still kicking and screaming because they didn't get their way election night.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:24 pm to G The Tiger Fan
If you notice the heat is on trump for the DNCs mistakes, rather than the heat being on the DNC for making them.
I'd say they are a talented bunch honestly.
I'd say they are a talented bunch honestly.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:26 pm to Teauxler
Maybe consult one of the 7 threads a day started with the same question
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:30 pm to Teauxler
I live full time in Eastern Europe though I happen to be in the USA now doing some business deals.
In my country there are two extremely pro-Russian parties. One is almost over the top (wants the USSR back), the other one just says they want "good relations" (of course good relations means us leaving NATO, having Russian be an official second language in my country, etc.).
Then there are some centrist parties.
Then there are some very openly pro West, pro USA, pro Freedom, Pro European parties.
Every day there is some news about virtually all of these parties (elections are in around two months). The moment anything is written about a "Russian" party the internet portals and message boards are bombarded with literally dozens of messages saying how these are great politicians, we need them as our leaders, this is the way forward to peace, etc.
The moment that something is written about one of the Pro Western and Pro American parties, the same bombardment takes place, these are the parties of war, America sucks, Capitalism isn't all that great, we need more security and less freedom (so we can have the security - that is always a trade off), Ukraine sucks, NATO sucks, Russia is great, why Europe when we can live good with Russia, etc.
As they develop their English language skills, watch them do this more and more on American websites.
THAT is why we should care about this. It really is a diabolical plot to hurt Western Democracies and countries that don't want to live the oligarch capitalism of Russia.
In my country there are two extremely pro-Russian parties. One is almost over the top (wants the USSR back), the other one just says they want "good relations" (of course good relations means us leaving NATO, having Russian be an official second language in my country, etc.).
Then there are some centrist parties.
Then there are some very openly pro West, pro USA, pro Freedom, Pro European parties.
Every day there is some news about virtually all of these parties (elections are in around two months). The moment anything is written about a "Russian" party the internet portals and message boards are bombarded with literally dozens of messages saying how these are great politicians, we need them as our leaders, this is the way forward to peace, etc.
The moment that something is written about one of the Pro Western and Pro American parties, the same bombardment takes place, these are the parties of war, America sucks, Capitalism isn't all that great, we need more security and less freedom (so we can have the security - that is always a trade off), Ukraine sucks, NATO sucks, Russia is great, why Europe when we can live good with Russia, etc.
As they develop their English language skills, watch them do this more and more on American websites.
THAT is why we should care about this. It really is a diabolical plot to hurt Western Democracies and countries that don't want to live the oligarch capitalism of Russia.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:31 pm to Lsuchs
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If you notice the heat is on trump for the DNCs mistakes, rather than the heat being on the DNC for making them.
The problem with externalizing your mistakes is that you don't own them and thus fail to learn from them, increasing the likelihood you make the same mistakes again.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:31 pm to Lsuchs
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I'd say they are a talented bunch honestly.
No they just have the CIA controlled media spinning and doing their bidding
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:32 pm to Teauxler
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Can someone explain what exactly Russia did and what Trump is accused of doing ?
They need another story other than the truth. The truth is one of their own (Seth Rich) leaked info. Which is much more plausible and believable than Russian Trump collusion.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:33 pm to Teauxler
The charge is not that vote totals were changed or anything like that. It's that emails were hacked and stories that have literally no basis in fact whatsoever were consistently peddled about those emails showing some sort of insane corruption. The stories were almost always debunked, but the consistent stream of shockingly bad news stories created a perception that Clinton was the root of all evil.
The charge is also that Trump's campaign coordinated these attack with Russia ultimately in exchange for a relief of economic sanctions.
The charge is also that Trump's campaign coordinated these attack with Russia ultimately in exchange for a relief of economic sanctions.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:33 pm to Teauxler
Russia dindu nuffin.
Russia is being used as a coverup for the assassination of Seth Rich.
Russia is being used as a coverup for the assassination of Seth Rich.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:36 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
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but the consistent stream of shockingly bad news stories created a perception
Trump should walk a mile in her shoes right?
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The charge is also that Trump's campaign coordinated these attack with Russia ultimately in exchange for a relief of economic sanctions.
Only proof of collusion I've seen with my own eyes was between the MSM and the DNC. And what do you know, who has teamed up to lead the charge against Trump
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:42 pm to Teauxler
Russia hacked the DNC and released embarrassing emails to hurt Clinton. All 17 federal US intelligence agencies, including the CIA and NSA have said this.
Collusion has yet to be proven, but Michael Flynn (former Trump advisor and appointed NIA Director) failed to disclose payments from Turkish and Russian interests. He also made calls to the Russian Ambassador following the election, but before Trump's inauguration. In the call they discussed upcoming US sanctions against Russia, in violation of the Logan Act. He then lied about it, causing Mike Pence to publicly defend him on the record. Flynn was forced to resign and is now invoking the 5th ameendment as defense for not responding to subpoenas to reveal financial documents.
Collusion has yet to be proven, but Michael Flynn (former Trump advisor and appointed NIA Director) failed to disclose payments from Turkish and Russian interests. He also made calls to the Russian Ambassador following the election, but before Trump's inauguration. In the call they discussed upcoming US sanctions against Russia, in violation of the Logan Act. He then lied about it, causing Mike Pence to publicly defend him on the record. Flynn was forced to resign and is now invoking the 5th ameendment as defense for not responding to subpoenas to reveal financial documents.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:55 pm to jbond
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All 17 federal US intelligence agencies, including the CIA and NSA have said this.
The Director of national intelligence, who all agencies fall under, has concluded it was Russia, and spoke for all them.
The whole "17 agency" thing is nothing more than political theater though, unless you think the coast guard actually did a thorough investigation when the FBI wasn't even given access to the server
Clapper put the stamp on it for all of them, the same guy that committed perjury before congress after his NSA surveillance program was leaked
That's the problem with politics today, who knows what the hell is true. All I know for sure is everyone has an agenda and is going to hammer it home, truth be damned. On both sides.
My assessment: no one is clean, but the constant kicking and screaming by the opposition will always be way over dramatic. Either that or the United States is incapable of nominating a non Hitler, tax evader, conspirator, murderer, colluding, pizzagating, epileptic human being to run for president
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 6:55 pm to Lsuchs
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-Putin supposedly sabotages Clinton in this election by hacking DNC and exposing corruption. She loses
Once again.... why is Russia supposedly doing what our FBI should have been????
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