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Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:40 am to SammyTiger
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Its easy to have consistent principals when you don't care about winning.
What's the point in your candidate winning if you have no idea what they stand for?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:43 am to RachtheRedhead
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Thoughts?
Staying home again if that happens.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:14 am to AUsteriskPride
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But of course I value constant principles
Really? So why does Ron Paul run as a Republican?Why doesn't
he run with a (L) in front of his name? I mean thats what he believes in right?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:22 am to RD Dawg
quote:Party affiliation means little when it comes to principles. It's the man's actions that should be judged. Hence the reason why McCain is seen as basically a Democrat, despite the R in front of his name.
Really? So why does Ron Paul run as a Republican?Why doesn't he run with a (L) in front of his name? I mean thats what he believes in right?
Joining one of the major political parties while not allowing that party's positions skew his political views actually says even more good things about Rand.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:28 am to Scruffy
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Why McCain is basically seen as a Democrat
Really?Name ONE democrat that's anywhere near as hawkish on defense as McCain...
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:29 am to RD Dawg
quote:Is that the only requirement? If he is a hawk, he can't be a Democrat?
Really?Name ONE democrat that's anywhere near as hawkish on defense as McCain...
There are many other political positions.
Also, I used "Democrat" because the moniker "liberal" is not appropriate for any of those on the left.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:30 am to RD Dawg
Barack Obama.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:17 pm to Eurocat
Really? So he agrees with McCain about Syria?
How bout Russia?
Yea,exactly alike aren't they?
How bout Russia?
Yea,exactly alike aren't they?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:24 pm to Scruffy
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Is that the only requirement?
OK, voted AGAINST obamacare.voted AGAINST his budget almost every year,voted AGAINST corp tax hike,voted to repeal
ethynol ssubsidies
Anything else?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 2:42 pm to Joshjrn
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What's the point in your candidate winning if you have no idea what they stand for?
Forget "your" candidate. No candidate exactly agrees with my philosophy. I have voted for the lesser evil for 50 years and have never felt I wasted my vote, nor contributed to the election of a huge mistake.
Why not view it logically.
1 candidate is a known disaster, hostile to every principle you hold dear and is a near lock to win because of the ignorance of the electorate and the collusion of the media.
1 candidate is a bit of an unknown on a few items, perhaps some even significantly important, but is known to be better on the most important issues, or at least represents an alternative to immediately plunging over the cliff.
1 candidate agrees with you on almost everything, but has no chance in hell of doing anything but siphoning off enough votes to ensure the election of the candidate that is completely anathematic to your principles.
So - what do you do - assist the election of the greater evil just so you can brag about how 'pure' you are?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:05 pm to SammyTiger
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Its easy to have consistent principals when you don't care about winning.
So you're saying he didn't want to win because he stood by his principles and wasn't a parrot for a party line? Great analysis. I forget, electable means you lie, tell half truths, backtrack, say what people want to hear instead of what you feel, and have freshly polished hair with a nice suit.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:10 pm to ChineseBandit58
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candidate is a known disaster, hostile to every principle you hold dear and is a near lock to win because of the ignorance of the electorate and the collusion of the media.
I suppose you're speaking of neocon Obama? A Bush clone, just a little worse. Let me guess, you voted for him both cycles?
There's no logic in your assumptions. The "lesser of two evils" means you still support the evil. If I'm viewing it logically, I can predict where either party will lead this country. If you think a Romney would have pulled back the scope of the government, you're delusional. I'd rather do my part to purge the two parties, it will happen eventually.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:13 pm to RD Dawg
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Really? So why does Ron Paul run as a Republican?Why doesn't
he run with a (L) in front of his name? I mean thats what he believes in right?
You do know pretty much every issue Paul stood for was what the Republican party was founded on right?
You guys are so watered down with the two party bickering you don't know what you stand for, nor what you support. You're so desperate to label something, and if the lettering isn't right, you write it off. Big government loves your ilk.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:29 pm to AUsteriskPride
OK,so why doesn't he run as a libertarian? I mean why even have a libertarian party if the republican party encompasses what he stands for?
Do you agree with Paul's stand on immigration?How bout drug legalization? Was the republican party founded on his stance in regards to both?
Do you agree with Paul's stand on immigration?How bout drug legalization? Was the republican party founded on his stance in regards to both?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:29 pm to AUsteriskPride
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I suppose you're speaking of neocon Obama? A Bush clone, just a little worse. Let me guess, you voted for him both cycles?
W.T.F.???
I voted for Bush twice - and am proud of it in view of the alternative of algore or jfkerry.
I voted for McCain with my nose held, and voted for Romney proudly. I would have voted for a dead skunk instead of Obama.
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There's no logic in your assumptions. The "lesser of two evils" means you still support the evil.
No - the lesser of two evils means that one result is better than the other result - less worse if you insist.
In this past election only an abject moron would think that an Obama presidency and a Romney presidency would be equally bad. Anyone who believes that is just not being honest with themselves.
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If I'm viewing it logically, I can predict where either party will lead this country.
no, you are not logical in this. You are either completely ignorant or purposefully lying. Anyone who thinks the GOP would lead the country to the big-government entitlement victim-dominated vision of the DEM party is silly, if not stupid. There may be disagreements with how or where the GOP agenda may lead, but nobody can honestly state that they would lead it toward the abject destruction the DEM party is pursuing.
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If you think a Romney would have pulled back the scope of the government, you're delusional.
If you think Romney would have expanded the scope of government on anything approaching the scale Obama has done, you are beyond delusional.
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I'd rather do my part to purge the two parties, it will happen eventually.
Same here - I will fight it out in the primaries to get a candidate who most closely aligns with my own principles, but in the general election, when it comes to deciding which person will captain the ship of state, I will chose the one less likely to run us aground on the rocks. Even it it delays the grounding by only a month, it is preferable to instant destruction.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:34 pm to ChineseBandit58
Yes the son of former state governor George Romney certainly 'deserves' to be President. lol.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:39 pm to Scruffy
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Party affiliation means little when it comes to principles. It's the man's actions that should be judged. Hence the reason why McCain is seen as basically a Democrat, despite the R in front of his name.
anyone who views McCain as a Dem is a complete idiot.
and sorry, affiliation DOES matter when it comes to principles.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:44 pm to SammyTiger
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In politics, telling lies is not cheating. Its known as "business as usual".
Then you must be a Democrat - it the only way they know how to campaign.
keep living in that bubble! yea, its ONLY Dems that fudge the truth when running for office.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:45 pm to RD Dawg
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Do you agree with Paul's stand on immigration?
Yes, for the most part. He wants to protect the borders and strip the incentives to squat here, while making it easier to obtain work visas.
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How bout drug legalization?
Yes
Either way, I didn't stay "all" of Paul's stances were founding Republican principles, but they are damned sure more abundant than a Romney type.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 3:46 pm
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