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re: Reverend Al Sharpton makes up religious lie about Jesus being a refugee
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:42 am to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:42 am to BamaGradinTn
Did they get vetted properly and have visa's?
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:43 am to Wtodd
quote:Idk man, I feel like fleeing and taking refuge in another kingdom because someone is trying to kill you is the definition of "refugee"
Yep but that alone doesn't make Jesus a refugee.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:43 am to BamaGradinTn
I think we're just splitting hairs with that argument. Having to leave your home because of danger isn't really anything any of us would ever experience so how could we judge what the experience was? And imagine doing so with a newborn baby.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:44 am to Wtodd
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Yep but that alone doesn't make Jesus a refugee.
Why do you want babies to die? #ProLife
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:44 am to Vino24
In Matthew, they fled to Egypt because there was an order to kill him (maybe it was Herod that ordered it?)
In Luke, they went to Nazareth to pay taxes (census).
I hate Sharpton and I think bringing the bible into this is absolute nonsense.
In Luke, they went to Nazareth to pay taxes (census).
I hate Sharpton and I think bringing the bible into this is absolute nonsense.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:44 am to Vino24
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:44 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Did they get vetted properly and have visa's?
Not likely.
But their stay in Egypt was temporary. They returned home. As should refugees today...ideally.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:46 am to AliBahBah54
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I hate Sharpton and I think bringing the bible into this is absolute nonsense.
Sharpton's end-game: If you don't agree with extreme vetting, you are not a Christian and you hate Jesus.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:46 am to sicboy
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I think we're just splitting hairs with that argument. Having to leave your home because of danger isn't really anything any of us would ever experience so how could we judge what the experience was? And imagine doing so with a newborn baby.
The thing that is not splitting hairs, however...and because of this I am perfectly happy to let Sharpton draw the analogy...is the fact that eventually, JESUS WENT HOME.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Sharpton was specifically addressing Christians--he said "on your way to church"--so his comment is 100% relevant to them.
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If you're not Christian, you aren't part of the audience he was speaking to.
For me and you, yeah, this is irrelevant. But I'm sure you can see that this should matter to people who believe the Bible.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:46 am to Hog on the Hill
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Idk man, I feel like fleeing and taking refuge in another kingdom because someone is trying to kill you is the definition of "refugee"
I see what you're saying but don't most refugees stay in whatever country they go to? Jesus was in Egypt a very short time.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:47 am to BamaGradinTn
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They did not, however, permanently resettle in Egypt. Ideally, resettlement of refugees should be temporary until they can safely return home. Like Jesus did.
So let the refugees go to another Middle Eastern country, such as Egypt. Just like Jesus did.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:48 am to Hog on the Hill
So, since I went to Church on Sunday and I'm a Christian, I must agree with the immigration policies of the democratic party? That's what Sharpton is strongly implying.
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:48 am to AliBahBah54
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maybe it was Herod that ordered it?
Herod became jealous because the Magi were going on about the newborn "King of the Jews". They fled, and then returned when Herod died.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:48 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:Yeah, once the danger was gone. Herod purged newborns and then died a few years later.
The thing that is not splitting hairs, however...and because of this I am perfectly happy to let Sharpton draw the analogy...is the fact that eventually, JESUS WENT HOME.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:49 am to BamaGradinTn
So refugees, down the line, never get to go home? If they return, they get their refugee punch card taken away?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:50 am to Vino24
This is not accurate. Because Palestine was part of the Roman Empire as was Egypt, he was not really a refugee. There was free movement allowed inside of the Roman Empire and a sizable Jewish presence in Alexandria at the time. It would be like moving from Oklahoma to California.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:51 am to Wtodd
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I see what you're saying but don't most refugees stay in whatever country they go to? Jesus was in Egypt a very short time.
Of course they don't. People for centuries have gone back to their place of birth. Not clear why this is a debate.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:51 am to Vino24
quote:No, but I think it's reasonable for you to consider Sharpton's accurate statement about what the Bible says. What you do after that is up to you, your faith, and your reason.
So, since I went to Church on Sunday and I'm a Christian, I must agree with democratic immigration policies?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:53 am to KiwiHead
quote:Egypt and the Herodian Kingdom were separate client states under the Roman Empire. Yes, there was free movement between the client states, but Herod's power did not reach into Egypt. That's why Egypt was a safe place for them to go.
This is not accurate. Because Palestine was part of the Roman Empire as was Egypt, he was not really a refugee. There was free movement allowed inside of the Roman Empire and a sizable Jewish presence in Alexandria at the time. It would be like moving from Oklahoma to California.
They sought refuge from Herod in Egypt--they were refugees. That's literally the definition
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