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Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:20 pm to BamaAtl
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If adults are in charge, no problem with the debt
I remember Obama in 2008 ripping Bush over the national debt... it was at about 9 trillion, and his budget plan (which we never heard from again), was going to cut that in half. So he was going to bring it down to...we'll say 5 trillion. It was at around 20 trillion when he finished up. Now who's the adult?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:22 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I think you got daddy bush and Clinton mixed up
Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:26 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Excellent points.
Don't forget that Clinton was fricking up in Iraq long before W ever had the opportunity.
It is absolutely a fact that the financial crisis was setup to happen after those 3 acts of Clinton's Government. There was no stopping it regardless of who took office after him.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:28 pm to Pbhog
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I think you got daddy bush and Clinton mixed up
Nope.
See, I've bothered to study history a bit further than WaPo and CNN hit pieces.
Try it sometime.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:30 pm to Pbhog
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I think you got daddy bush and Clinton mixed up
Daddy Bush did an excellent fricking job about Iraq. Masterful plan perfectly executed.
The only downside was, in hindsight he should have went ahead and toppled Sadam. That said, he didn't build the coalition of basically half the world to topple Sadam, He went as far as the agreements he made with the coalition partners.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:47 pm to Pbhog
Grammar is your friend
Posted on 3/26/17 at 7:50 pm to BamaAtl
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So those 10 Trillion dollars that Obama spent was adults in Charge?
Most of that was not due to Obama-chosen policies. Things like the bailout, Iraq War, and other Bush policies he had no choice in paying for.
Seriously? The Iraq War has been estimated to cost $1.7 trillion through 2013 (which for the math-challenged is $170 billion per year).
Obama's (Democrat Congress') deficit was $1.4 trillion in his first year.
The bank bailout was $700 billion (later lowered to $475 billion. Add $170 billion, that's $645 billion, which is 46 percent of the Obama first-year deficit.
That is not "most" of the deficit.
Questions:
Why are you leaving off the fact that Obama's "stimulus" cost $800 billion, which is 1.7 times greater than the "Bush bank bailout" (which Obama later claimed was repaid)? Also, why do you ignore that the Democrats extended the stimulus for multiple years through a continuing resolution because they failed to pass a federal budget?
How do you account for the other $7.125 trillion worth of Obama debt ($9.3 trillion in debt minus $2.175 trillion of "Bush" debt)?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 8:22 pm to texashorn
OK, you want to include lowered revenues because of the Bush tax cut (which was extended by Democrats) as part of Obama's deficit (???).
Why did Democrats not repeal the Bush tax cut when they controlled the White House, Senate and House of Representatives? You're blaming Trump for not fixing Obamacare, why not this?
Now for the numbers. Paul Krugman says "the Bush tax cuts cost $1.8 trillion" (never mind that Bush's total deficits/adding to the debt was $3.3 trillion and that $1.8 trillion over eight years is $225 billion in lost revenue per year).
For shits and giggles, we'll add "the Bush tax cuts cost $1.8 trillion" to the debt.
That leaves $5.325 trillion in "Obama debt," of which "Bush spending" was (I'm playing by your rules) $3.975 trillion (eight years of Bush war spending applied to eight years of Obama's term with no reduction -- even though there was) plus "the Bush tax cuts." (Obama's total debt was $9.3 trillion.)
That is only 43 percent of Obama's debt that you are, using your rules, attributing to Bush. That is not "most."
Edit:
And actually it's even less. The Iraq War cost $170 billion/year on average. So that's $1.36 trillion applied average to all eight years of Obama (it was lowered, so it's even less). And I forgot the $475 billion for the "Bush bank bailout." Plus the $1.8 trillion Krugman-estimated Bush tax cut "cost."
So that's $3.635 trillion in "Bush-caused deficits" applied to Obama's $9.3 trillion, leaving $5.665 trillion directly applied to Obama.
That leaves "Bush did it" at 39 percent of Obama's debt. That still isn't "most."
Why did Democrats not repeal the Bush tax cut when they controlled the White House, Senate and House of Representatives? You're blaming Trump for not fixing Obamacare, why not this?
Now for the numbers. Paul Krugman says "the Bush tax cuts cost $1.8 trillion" (never mind that Bush's total deficits/adding to the debt was $3.3 trillion and that $1.8 trillion over eight years is $225 billion in lost revenue per year).
For shits and giggles, we'll add "the Bush tax cuts cost $1.8 trillion" to the debt.
That leaves $5.325 trillion in "Obama debt," of which "Bush spending" was (I'm playing by your rules) $3.975 trillion (eight years of Bush war spending applied to eight years of Obama's term with no reduction -- even though there was) plus "the Bush tax cuts." (Obama's total debt was $9.3 trillion.)
That is only 43 percent of Obama's debt that you are, using your rules, attributing to Bush. That is not "most."
Edit:
And actually it's even less. The Iraq War cost $170 billion/year on average. So that's $1.36 trillion applied average to all eight years of Obama (it was lowered, so it's even less). And I forgot the $475 billion for the "Bush bank bailout." Plus the $1.8 trillion Krugman-estimated Bush tax cut "cost."
So that's $3.635 trillion in "Bush-caused deficits" applied to Obama's $9.3 trillion, leaving $5.665 trillion directly applied to Obama.
That leaves "Bush did it" at 39 percent of Obama's debt. That still isn't "most."
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:28 pm to Pbhog
quote:So is your brain. The repubs don't control the Judicial Branch. I'm sure you don't understand, but the Judicial Branch is 1/3 of the federal government, and there are only 3 out of 8 conservatives.
The Republican Party is a shite show right now
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:40 pm to Pbhog
The GOP afraid to kill the ACA is democracy in action. They fear the voters.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:46 pm to ballscaster
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If you voted for Clinton, you don't get to make fun of Trumpkins because you aren't as smart as they are.
quote:
ballscaster
Clinton was undoubtedly the lessor of two evils from the prospective of the middle class.
I can only guess you're a 2%.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:51 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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The GOP afraid to kill the ACA is democracy in action. They fear the voters.
57% did not want that law repealed and replaced with TrumpkinCare despite Trump's obvious skills at persuasion by repeating in a loop that it was a good bill with good things in it, which was the limit of his understanding of his own bill.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:19 am to ballscaster
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ballscaster
What is it with ghey guys and their attachment to Muslim men who given the chance would happily throw them off the nearest multi-floored building.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:24 am to Pbhog
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Republicans control every branch of government and still can't repeal Obamacare
Wrong.
Republicans have the majority in both houses.
They just don't have a repeal ObamaCare majority amongst their own ranks.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:26 am to Pbhog
The Dems controlled a super majority during the first part of Obama's presidency, why didn't they pass any immigration bill's of substsnce?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:33 am to Pbhog
Cool. Enjoy spiking that ball while our healthcare system is further strained.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:13 am to Pbhog
You sound like a real team player
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:23 am to Jorts R Us
Democrats have no power. The republicans spiked the ball not democrats.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:23 am to bencoleman
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What is it with ghey guys and their attachment to Muslim men who given the chance would happily throw them off the nearest multi-floored building.
They love them some real men
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 5:24 am
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