Remember When We Were Told Abrams Battle Tanks Would Change The Trajectory Of The War?

The Abrams is a solid weapon. More than likely it’s the personnel operating it.

ETA drones are a relatively new battle weapon and no Tech is really immune

The tool doesn’t do you much good if you are too incompetent to use it properly

Agree. The tank crews make the Abrams effective. Also when we operate the Abrams we have air superiority. You need good crews and air support. Our fighters clear the skies, the Warthogs knock the enemy force down, the Apaches chip away some more and the Abrams finish them off. We don’t want to fight fair.

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The tank crews make the Abrams effective.

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I think it was Stormin' Norman, from Gulf War 1, who said he'd have won if our military and the Iraqis had swapped hardware. He was more confident in his men and training than the weapons they fought with...


I wonder if our military leaders would confidently say the same today.

I will say, we trained the frick out of our tank crews. As a Tank Commander, I was always running my guys through crew drills. Always.

Even when it was 100 deg at Ft Hood, I'd take my 19 year old loader down to the motor pool with a training sabot round. We'd sit there in the heat for hours while I would show him how to "feed the beast" . Break out a stop watch and get after it. Then I'd train him up on proper air security techniques (that's the leader's 2nd job when not loading big bullets) with his turret mounted M240.

I'd spend hours going over proper stopping techniques when you unmask yourself over a berm, so that you give the gunner the most stable shooting platform possible. I'd go over Sagger drills (avoidance of wire guided missiles) with that fricker until he dreamed about it.

And countless hours in the old UCOFT, now AGTS (Advanced Gunnery Training Simulator) on target acquisition and inducing lead on moving targets, etc.

We trained like our lives depended on it, especially in the 1st Cavalry Division. And when we had to show it on the battlefield, we were prepared.

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The article was about Abrams tanks vs. Russian tanks.

The paradigm shift is because of the use of drones to keep the tanks away from the front of the battlefield.

Times change. Warfare changes.

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B.S. There has been no “paradigm shift.”

The entire justification of sending Abrams to the Ukraine was centered in the false notion that these tanks would overpower Russian armor and breakthrough Russian defenses. This ignores the reality that the Ukrainian military always lacked the logistical capability and training to use the tanks in their intended role as an armored spear in highly maneuverable warfare.

It further ignores the reality that this has been a war of position and attrition. All the firepower and maneuverability of a technological marvel like the Abrams tank are rendered useless if used as little more than a static pillbox.

More of our money wasted, whatever the reason for the failure may be.

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The entire justification of sending Abrams to the Ukraine was centered in the false notion that these tanks would overpower Russian armor and breakthrough Russian defenses. This ignores the reality that the Ukrainian military always lacked the logistical capability and training to use the tanks in their intended role as an armored spear in highly maneuverable warfare.

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Correct.

This is about Ukraine, the lies we’ve been told, the lack of a coherent plan, and the failure of decisions that were made along the way.

The hair & ail salons make it nearly impossible to move around inside the tanks

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$10 million each

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That’s relatively cheap. I’d have bet it was much more.