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re: Re-watching Ken Burns' "The War" and i have one conclusion to give
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:23 am to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:23 am to Mike da Tigah
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We are undoubtedly the most candy arse generation in human history compared to those people. We are completely clueless to what it means to being genuinely concerned over the fate of western civilization and America as we know it, all being held in the balance. We are oblivious to having to sacrifice and do without, or read the names of people we know and grew up with who gave it all pour into our newspapers.
Not sure where to start. Wester civ wasn't at stake, WWII was fought with a draft and historically oppressive economic and social restrictions on the American people, many of whom rejected US involvement until after FDR and shitbag buddies finally got their shooting war with the Japs. The US aided not one, but two communist countries, both of whom became staunch military and political nuclear capable adversaries of the US. US debt increased astronomically, government grew astronomically, the draft remained in place through not one but two additional pointless wars resulting in a grand total of about 450-500k deaths and millions of wounded to achieve jack and shite.
The greatest generation might have been the ones that dodged the draft or protested the war, like real Americans.
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:26 am to Mike da Tigah
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The moment you told people they couldn't have a McDonalds hamburger, Chicken Nuggets, or Starbucks Vanilla Latte because of rationing for the war effort, they would go ape shite, and burn the cities to the ground.
As they should. Because this is America, and nobody should have the right to tell us what we can fricking eat.
But you seem more like a 1930s-1980s Russia/China/Germany guy based off your jerk fest over a pointless war and socialist totalitarian policies.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 7:18 am to Sid in Lakeshore
That is not entirely so. Many were isolationists who didn't understand why the U.S. should send men to die in Europe and Asia when we were starving over here. They remembered WWI (where we also tried to isolate ourselves) and the death and destruction it caused. They weren't being wusses. They simply did not see the point of sacrificing American men for European conflicts at the time.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:18 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Half the north were of german or Italian heritage.
Those tens of millions were never eager to oppose Hitler and Mussolini.
Japan made war vs euro cousins possible.
My dad, a pilot, volunteered in 1936. He spoke german. Invited to bund meeting in north jersey and signed up for us army air corps the next monday.
Wounded 26th day raid over Italy.
Volunteered to fly glider 82nd airborne 5 am. normandy.
2 silver stars, two purple hearts,two handfuls of bronze stars and a distinguished flying medal for Normandy.
I distinguish between volunteers and draftees. Conscientious objectors take a raft of ####. Faux righteous draftees are a joke.
I know two men who were viet era co's.
One was kept in marine boot camp for the entire two years.
The other was beaten and left for dead. His injuries are still hampering his ability to use leg.
Being a man of conscience is far more difficult than being drafted. Ps Sure some draftees were heroic once in action and many died.
Thou shalt not kill. How is it possible to rationalize killing, without the need to defend.
Sure japan attacked. No one sane thinks Vietnam was necessary.
Easy to get volunteers vs japan. Vietnam was propaganda.
Those tens of millions were never eager to oppose Hitler and Mussolini.
Japan made war vs euro cousins possible.
My dad, a pilot, volunteered in 1936. He spoke german. Invited to bund meeting in north jersey and signed up for us army air corps the next monday.
Wounded 26th day raid over Italy.
Volunteered to fly glider 82nd airborne 5 am. normandy.
2 silver stars, two purple hearts,two handfuls of bronze stars and a distinguished flying medal for Normandy.
I distinguish between volunteers and draftees. Conscientious objectors take a raft of ####. Faux righteous draftees are a joke.
I know two men who were viet era co's.
One was kept in marine boot camp for the entire two years.
The other was beaten and left for dead. His injuries are still hampering his ability to use leg.
Being a man of conscience is far more difficult than being drafted. Ps Sure some draftees were heroic once in action and many died.
Thou shalt not kill. How is it possible to rationalize killing, without the need to defend.
Sure japan attacked. No one sane thinks Vietnam was necessary.
Easy to get volunteers vs japan. Vietnam was propaganda.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 8:26 am
Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:35 am to AUstar
I agree with most of your post but must correct that agent orange killed anyone during the war. It was a herbicide used mainly to defoliate areas of dense jungle that concealed the enemy.
It's effects to exposed humans generally took a few years to manifest and mostly resulted in types of cancers.
It's effects to exposed humans generally took a few years to manifest and mostly resulted in types of cancers.
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