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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:30 pm to Dale51
Sure Dale - but I have to do it by linking to the NYT rport as I have to be at a function at 7pm and it is already almost 630. I hope we can continue this in an hour or so.
Trump Hands Putin a Win at Meeting.
In another crucial signal, Trump refused to explicitly reaffirm the value of NATO’s Article 5 collective defense clause, the linchpin of NATO’s unity and deterrence since the alliance’s foundation in 1949. That says that all NATO members will come to the aid of any member that is attacked. Trump made those remarks in front of a memorial to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, when for the only time in history NATO invoked Article 5 to help defend Trump’s hometown.
His refusal to explicitly endorse the principle may rattle U.S. allies who were already nervous that Washington won’t come to their defense in the event of an attack.
And while Trump addressed the threat of terrorism, he didn’t harp on the Russian threat to allay allies’ fears, in another swing-and-miss. Baltic countries, in particular, are worried about massing Russian military forces that could overwhelm them, and were hoping for the typical, ironclad U.S. commitment, but left disappointed. “It certainly fell short of what the Europeans were hoping to hear,” said Derek Chollet, a former senior Pentagon official now with the German Marshall Fund of the United States. “These are allies who are extremely worried about their own future. They see the Russia threat as an existential one. They live with it every day,” he told Foreign Policy.
Experts and former U.S. officials, shocked at the omissions, slammed Trump.
“Trumps behavior at this NATO meeting in Brussels is a definitive win for Putin,” said Jorge Benitez, a NATO expert at the Atlantic Council who was at the NATO confab. “It just increases a lot of the doubts and fears and concerns our allies have had,” he told FP.
“Every US President since Truman has pledged support for Article 5–that US will defend Europe. Not so Trump today at #NATO. Major mistake,” former U.S. ambassador to NATO Nicholas Burns wrote on Twitter.
Others thought if Trump continued to harp allies on defense spending, it could backfire. “It can have a blowback effect where countries say to Trump, well screw you I’m not going to go home and appear to my people that I’m knuckling under to you,” said Jim Townsend, who was the Pentagon’s top NATO envoy up until January. “That’s puny minded. That’s not a tactic worthy of the American president,” he said.
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Trump Hands Putin a Win at Meeting.
In another crucial signal, Trump refused to explicitly reaffirm the value of NATO’s Article 5 collective defense clause, the linchpin of NATO’s unity and deterrence since the alliance’s foundation in 1949. That says that all NATO members will come to the aid of any member that is attacked. Trump made those remarks in front of a memorial to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, when for the only time in history NATO invoked Article 5 to help defend Trump’s hometown.
His refusal to explicitly endorse the principle may rattle U.S. allies who were already nervous that Washington won’t come to their defense in the event of an attack.
And while Trump addressed the threat of terrorism, he didn’t harp on the Russian threat to allay allies’ fears, in another swing-and-miss. Baltic countries, in particular, are worried about massing Russian military forces that could overwhelm them, and were hoping for the typical, ironclad U.S. commitment, but left disappointed. “It certainly fell short of what the Europeans were hoping to hear,” said Derek Chollet, a former senior Pentagon official now with the German Marshall Fund of the United States. “These are allies who are extremely worried about their own future. They see the Russia threat as an existential one. They live with it every day,” he told Foreign Policy.
Experts and former U.S. officials, shocked at the omissions, slammed Trump.
“Trumps behavior at this NATO meeting in Brussels is a definitive win for Putin,” said Jorge Benitez, a NATO expert at the Atlantic Council who was at the NATO confab. “It just increases a lot of the doubts and fears and concerns our allies have had,” he told FP.
“Every US President since Truman has pledged support for Article 5–that US will defend Europe. Not so Trump today at #NATO. Major mistake,” former U.S. ambassador to NATO Nicholas Burns wrote on Twitter.
Others thought if Trump continued to harp allies on defense spending, it could backfire. “It can have a blowback effect where countries say to Trump, well screw you I’m not going to go home and appear to my people that I’m knuckling under to you,” said Jim Townsend, who was the Pentagon’s top NATO envoy up until January. “That’s puny minded. That’s not a tactic worthy of the American president,” he said.
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:31 pm to Eurocat
PUHLEEEESE. Every single one of those Euro-trash knows that the US would be by their side at the beginning, middle and end of any conflict and would be there to pick up the slack. The Russians know it as do the Chinese,as well as the Arabs.
So Trump didn't outright say it....big deal. Merkel knows he will, May knows he will and Macron knows he will
So Trump didn't outright say it....big deal. Merkel knows he will, May knows he will and Macron knows he will
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:32 pm to Eurocat
Are you seriously using "Rawstory" as your quote for this? Really dude?
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:35 pm to KiwiHead
As a resident and citizen of one of the Baltic Countries I cannot say that I am 100 percent certain the USA would fulfill Article 5 and I would have liked to have heard him say that. And we pay the more than two percent (well, close, 1.96).
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:37 pm to The Pirate King
It's on rawstory and 100 other sites out there. Just happened across that one first. Fox News has pretty much the same story so it's not some liberal thing.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:38 pm to Eurocat
You quoted some dweeb from the Atlantic Council and an old Obama appointee. LOL
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:39 pm to roadGator
Link is to nothing.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:45 pm to Eurocat
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:45 pm to Eurocat
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That says that all NATO members will come to the aid of any member that is attacked. Trump made those remarks in front of a memorial to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, when for the only time in history NATO invoked Article 5 to help defend Trump’s hometown.
I won't be on here much longer, but I will try to find this thread tomorrow for your answer....
How did the other members come to our aid on 9/11, since they invoked Article 5?
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His refusal to explicitly endorse the principle may rattle U.S. allies who were already nervous that Washington won’t come to their defense in the event of an attack.
Good. Maybe if they start paying their "Fair Share"(I know how the liberals like this phrase) they wouldn't have to worry.
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And while Trump addressed the threat of terrorism, he didn’t harp on the Russian threat to allay allies’ fears, in another swing-and-miss.
And had he "harped" on it, the left would be screaming he should be building a better relationship with Russia instead of antagonizing him....and saying the entire trip was a major fail.
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“It just increases a lot of the doubts and fears and concerns our allies have had,” he told FP.
They need to be scared, and nervous and scared. They want our protection, but none of them want to share the burden of that protection.
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Major mistake,” former U.S. ambassador to NATO Nicholas Burns wrote on Twitter.
And here i thought the left hated Twitter. Are you guys liking it better now?
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Others thought if Trump continued to harp allies on defense spending, it could backfire. “It can have a blowback effect where countries say to Trump, well screw you I’m not going to go home and appear to my people that I’m knuckling under to you,” said Jim Townsend, who was the Pentagon’s top NATO envoy up until January. “That’s puny minded. That’s not a tactic worthy of the American president,” he said.
So, the argument is this:
If Trump harps on the other country's not paying their share, they will say "Screw you!" and not pay their share? Solid analysis. No wonder he was a top NATO envoy with reasoning skills like that.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:47 pm to Eurocat
His numbers were greatly off and confused many.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:48 pm to Eurocat
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As a resident and citizen of one of the Baltic Countries I cannot say that I am 100 percent certain the USA would fulfill Article 5 and I would have liked to have heard him say that.
Of course not, because you don't like Trump.
I would be more afraid Obama would not help out than Trump. But, since Obama said it, it must be true. After all, he said I could keep my doctor, right?
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:50 pm to roadGator
That link didn't show up until I hit replay to you. Something strange this way comes.....or something like that...
Showing up, now!
Showing up, now!
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:04 pm to DawgsLife
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How did the other members come to our aid on 9/11, since they invoked Article 5?
Is this a serious question? In many ways.
ONE -
Sgt. 1st Class Janis Lakis woke up at 5:30 a.m. on Oct. 3, 2009, sipped some coffee and waited patiently to train Afghan soldiers, a routine set to begin in just an hour.
First, though, came the mortars, the screams of attack and the sight of shells exploding like popcorn.
Nearly 10 months after the deadliest battle in 2009 for U.S. forces in Afghanistan, the two Latvian soldiers who fought there, along with their commander, reunited with their “American brothers” on Sunday, sharing their stories to attentive family members and quietly remembering those who lost their lives that autumn day.
Gathering at VFW Post 3917 in Security with friends and family — many from the northeastern Europe country — Capt. Agris Liepins led many of the roughly 100 people in attendance in the singing of the Latvian national anthem.
“On that day, we were family, we were brothers and everybody fought for each other,” Sgt. Ty Carter said.
With little time to think, Lakis and a fellow Latvian soldier Cpl. Martins Dabolins evaluated their choices, remembering all along of their nearby “American brothers.”
“In that case, it’s only one decision: It’s stay and fight,” Dabolins said.
SNIP
Wearing a white and maroon Latvian hockey jersey, Portis offered one last compliment. “The last thing I’m going to do is get into a fight with a Latvian or American,” he said.
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02.12.2014. 19:09
Mom works to help Carson soldiers honor battle bonds
LANCE BENZEL
After surviving the year’s deadliest firefight in Afghanistan, Sgt. Eric J. Harder made a humble request.
The Fort Carson soldier phoned his mother, Mary Henry of suburban Minneapolis, and asked her to mail over a Minnesota Twins baseball cap — not for himself, he told her, but as a token of gratitude for a new brother.
In the chaos of the Oct. 3 assault on Combat Outpost Keating, Harder and fellow members of Fort Carson’s 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment welcomed two new comrades into their fold as they fought for their lives: A pair of Latvian soldiers who battled alongside them to defend their remote, mountain outpost from a well-armed enemy force.
Eight from Fort Carson died in the daylong battle, in which several hundred enemy fighters took positions in the surrounding hills and raked the men with machine gun fire and rocket-propelled grenades. Harder, 29, told his mother that if it hadn’t been for Janis Lakis, one of the Latvian soldiers, he might not have survived.
“He basically saved my life,” Harder told her. “I want him to have a Twins cap.”
In a videotaped interview featured on a military Web site,Harder described the harrowing cries of the unit’s machine gunners as they shouted for more ammunition, defenseless under heavy enemy fire.
As a team leader, Harder was among the soldiers who made repeat trips to the post’s ammo storage point to resupply the gunners. He threw down smoke grenades to provide cover from sniper fire as he ran from place to place, suffering shrapnel injuries in his legs from one explosion. His videotaped account does not address the actions of the Latvian soldiers, and Henry said he has been reluctant to discuss the battle in detail.
The Army ordered the troops to abandon Combat Outpost Keating two days after the enemy force retreated, following Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s new strategy to pull back from remote areas to defend population centers.
Three months later, Henry is working to honor a new request from her son, another attempt to thank Lakis and Dabolins for their actions during the assault, she said.
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:05 pm to Eurocat
I bet Trump would have endorsed Article 5 if Saudi Arabia were part of NATO. After all, if they get attacked, we are will have combat soldiers over there quicker than you can say 911.
Speaking of paying their fair share, when does Israel get off the teet? Or is there an agreement that we have to pay until Israel says "stop, we have enough"? Talk about a 1 way street.
Speaking of paying their fair share, when does Israel get off the teet? Or is there an agreement that we have to pay until Israel says "stop, we have enough"? Talk about a 1 way street.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:06 pm to Eurocat
>2>1.96
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:12 pm to Eurocat
Europeans, along with leftist Americans, are some of the most wimpy people to ever live on this planet. The women are more masculine than the men. This is coming from somebody who has lived in several European countries for many years.
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:17 pm to Eurocat
quote:It was the best speech an American President has made overseas since Reagan told Gorbachev to tear down the wall.
This was a big fail.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:20 pm to Pacito
Yeah, well, don't tell that to the French Foreign Legion.
Actually I was in France this past March for a conference. First time there. I was expecting the same "French and pansies" type of thing but holy crap is it not that way. Have you ever been to Isreal? I found the French and Isreali dudes to be very similar. Buzzcut, in good form and totally professional but also badass at the same time. You can tell they won't eff with you if you are mister stupid tourist. But screw around and they will piss down your neck.
I was very impressed by the French Security Services and I had a lot of contact with them organizing an international seminar last March.
Those effers are not playing games.
Actually I was in France this past March for a conference. First time there. I was expecting the same "French and pansies" type of thing but holy crap is it not that way. Have you ever been to Isreal? I found the French and Isreali dudes to be very similar. Buzzcut, in good form and totally professional but also badass at the same time. You can tell they won't eff with you if you are mister stupid tourist. But screw around and they will piss down your neck.
I was very impressed by the French Security Services and I had a lot of contact with them organizing an international seminar last March.
Those effers are not playing games.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:22 pm to Eurocat
quote:
don't tell that to the French Foreign Legion.
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