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Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24770 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:07 pm
What is the problem with this? It prevents someone from running just to prevent another candidate from winning. For example, if Liz Cheney were to run just to prevent Trump from winning.

If we had ranked choice voting in 1992, we very well may have never had a President Clinton...
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11515 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:13 pm to
It really is the only way to break the uniparty but the "left" and the "right" don't like it because it might actually bring some change.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101518 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:13 pm to
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If we had ranked choice voting in 1992, we very well may have never had a President Clinton...




We wouldn't have had him if HW Bush had just actually adhered to what he ran on and the groundwork established by his predecessor.

Ranked choice makes it easy not to have to hold people like HW's feet to the fire. It is nothing but a gift to the spineless wishy-washy types in Washington.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101518 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

It really is the only way to break the uniparty but the "left" and the "right" don't like it because it might actually bring some change.



I contend it's the exact opposite. See my earlier post herein.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:17 pm to
Look at Alaska
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24770 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

Ranked choice makes it easy not to have to hold people like HW's feet to the fire. It is nothing but a gift to the spineless wishy-washy types in Washington.


I disagree. It gives a legitimate third party candidate a chance. Right now, the spineless, wishy-washy types pull the lever for a D or an R because they are afraid to waste their vote and will vote for the lesser of two evils. They aren't wrong.

Ranked choice is good for MAGA, Tea Party, and Bernie Bro candidates.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18646 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:27 pm to
In all of these threads, nobody on this board seems to be able to articulate what's wrong with Ranked Choice Voting other than their preferred candidates have lost in some Ranked Choice Voting election.

Only remotely reasonable argument I've heard is that if someone cheats the election, it's more data and a more complicated process, so it could be easier to obfuscate the cheating.

IMO it would create a situation much more representative to the will of the people. First Past the Post elections aren't. Obviously, this depends on the election being legitimately run.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10944 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

Ranked Choice voting...
What is the problem with this?


Easy answer is

If the left is in favor of it then it's terrible for the country. Whatever they are saying about it it will do exactly the opposite.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101518 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:33 pm to
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I disagree. It gives a legitimate third party candidate a chance. Right now, the spineless, wishy-washy types pull the lever for a D or an R because they are afraid to waste their vote and will vote for the lesser of two evils. They aren't wrong.

Ranked choice is good for MAGA, Tea Party, and Bernie Bro candidates.



I don't know. It seems to me, it weighs real heavily in favor of candidates for whom lazy casual voters simply 'recognize the name' - hence the Murkowski clan's pushing for it in Alaska.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64077 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:38 pm to
I have been told that ranked choice voting would have resulting in Trump losing the 2016 primary with either Cruz or Rubio winning it.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10944 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:42 pm to
Pro's & Con's of RCV

This may or may not help
Posted by LSUFANMICK
Colorado Springs
Member since Sep 2009
1223 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:47 pm to


It's just another way to steal elections
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15431 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:58 pm to
It dilutes votes.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19569 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:03 pm to
The more complicated a system is makes it more easily manipulated.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422854 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:07 pm to
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It dilutes votes.

I mean it creates far fewer wasted votes, so I don't see what you mean.

This board hates ranked choice voting because it's a system that negatively affects extreme political candidates.

This board loves promoting extremism and political polarity, so it's hurting their chosen few.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42644 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:12 pm to
In principle I like it.

HOWEVER - I could not support it unless there were provisions made to prevent "gaming" the system.

For instance - IF you run in the GOP primary and lose - then you SHALL NOT run as something else in the General Election.

Also - you must have declared your 'party' preference and been actively involved in that party's activities for some significant time PRIOR to filing to run as 'that party'

I can think of several other scenarios too difficult to put into a few words.

Bottom Line:
= IF we had honorable participants, no rules would be necessary.
= if we do NOT have honorable participants, we should be careful with 'new' procedures.
Posted by Big Bruce
Member since Nov 2022
72 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:12 pm to
Some voters votes are counted more than once. If their fist choice candidate is not in the top two then their second or third place candidate gets their vote.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42644 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

This board hates ranked choice voting because it's a system that
allows skullduggery.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101518 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

This board hates ranked choice voting because it's a system that negatively affects extreme political candidates.

This board loves promoting extremism and political polarity, so it's hurting their chosen few.


That's just another way of saying, it favors the status quo. What if the status quo is actually what is "extreme"?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422854 posts
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

Also - you must have declared your 'party' preference and been actively involved in that party's activities for some significant time PRIOR to filing to run as 'that party'

This is dumb.

Also, RCV shouldn't require party voting and should rely on some form of the jungle primary, with a set #/% of the top of that jungle primary moving on to the final round.
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