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Rand Needs to Win the Day- Health Care
Posted on 3/1/17 at 7:58 am
Posted on 3/1/17 at 7:58 am
Listening to Rand on the News/ radio his plan appears to be the free-market based plan allowing those in individual plans to form or join associations. The associations then allow for pre-existing conditions as long as you remain in a health plan.
Cassidy- Collins plan seems to be a bridge for the repeal and replacement of obamacare with some entitlement/ stipend but removing mandatory coverages on care that will never be used by 1/2 or most of the population. Also this plan appears to give more power to the states in handling medicare funding. If democrats decide to participate it will likely be a version of the Cassidy Collins plan.
Ryan Plan- I don't think anyone knows particulars but likely addresses items that Trump spoke of in his address to congress with offering national health ins(crossing state lines) and a tax credits. The part that worries me is how Paul's plan will address pre-existing conditions.
It is important that Rand wins with his ideas because if the free-market is not the basis of the plan then prices will artificially remain elevated with government/ entitlements involved.
Also if tax-credits is a necessity to bridge between obamacare repeal and the new replacement I wish it would incorporate the existing child tax "credit" and not giving a new "credit".
ETA:
***TL;DR***
Rand Plan- Free Market Based
Cassidy/ Collins- Obamalite
Ryan Plan- Who knows
Cassidy- Collins plan seems to be a bridge for the repeal and replacement of obamacare with some entitlement/ stipend but removing mandatory coverages on care that will never be used by 1/2 or most of the population. Also this plan appears to give more power to the states in handling medicare funding. If democrats decide to participate it will likely be a version of the Cassidy Collins plan.
Ryan Plan- I don't think anyone knows particulars but likely addresses items that Trump spoke of in his address to congress with offering national health ins(crossing state lines) and a tax credits. The part that worries me is how Paul's plan will address pre-existing conditions.
It is important that Rand wins with his ideas because if the free-market is not the basis of the plan then prices will artificially remain elevated with government/ entitlements involved.
Also if tax-credits is a necessity to bridge between obamacare repeal and the new replacement I wish it would incorporate the existing child tax "credit" and not giving a new "credit".
ETA:
***TL;DR***
Rand Plan- Free Market Based
Cassidy/ Collins- Obamalite
Ryan Plan- Who knows
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 10:11 am
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 8:43 am to Zephyrius
What are the odds Trump listens to Rand? I believe he has said good things about Rand before but I dont know if he is taken seriously in this current administration. I'm a big fan of Rand and I think he is s smart guy. I would love him to have more of a say/role in things.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 8:47 am to Zephyrius
If it's going to cover pre-existing conditions, then it needs to not be called insurance.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 8:49 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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If it's going to cover pre-existing conditions, then it needs to not be called insurance.
If it doesn't it will be called DOA. That is just the world we live in now.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 8:55 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I have a pre existing and need treatment every month that cost anywhere from 3200 4000 dollars a month. What do you suggest I do?
Call it what you want but millions of everyday Americans need and depend on pre existing conditions to be covered.
Call it what you want but millions of everyday Americans need and depend on pre existing conditions to be covered.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 9:00 am
Posted on 3/1/17 at 8:58 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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If it's going to cover pre-existing conditions, then it needs to not be called insurance.
of course- Paul's plan addresses this with joining an association/ group and continuing the coverage.
If capable individuals don't exercise this responsibility within a time frame then they will likely be SOL as they should be...
The allowing of association/ group plans, crossing state lines(increase competition) and removing mandatory coverage for specific care(ie allowing for catastrophic coverage) will drive down costs and give affordable options for individuals/ families.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 9:01 am
Posted on 3/1/17 at 9:00 am to pcolatiger28
you guys are playing the short game with Rand. The idea that we can reverse 80 years of liberal slide in the US in two years is unrealistic. Paul Ryan's plan is not Obamacare on steroids, it is Obamacare paired down. If you really want to build a movement, you do not need to fret about every little thing that does not get done. You need to recognized the course correction and work on thousands of little fixes.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 9:11 am to FreddieMac
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you guys are playing the short game with Rand. The idea that we can reverse 80 years of liberal slide in the US in two years is unrealistic. Paul Ryan's plan is not Obamacare on steroids, it is Obamacare paired down.
That is likely an unfortunate reality and why Rand Paul needs victories with his ideas. As long as it removes the mandatories, gives power to the states, and allows for more competition it will be a good base to address unforeseen issues.
But if the passed plan allows another liberal administration to bring back "obamacare" with the stroke of the president's pen, then that is not acceptable.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 9:14 am to Zephyrius
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But if the passed plan allows another liberal administration to bring back "obamacare" with the stroke of the president's pen, then that is not acceptable.
Agreed, the Ryan plan would not allow that... People need to govern like they are not going to lose the next election. That is called building a movement.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 9:25 am to Zephyrius
One thing they need to do is address the fact that if Obamacare was so freaking awesome, then why didn't members of Congress enroll in the exchanges?
The combination of crossing state lines with allowing folks to form associations irrespective of their employer is the winner, IMO.
The combination of crossing state lines with allowing folks to form associations irrespective of their employer is the winner, IMO.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 10:05 am to Zephyrius
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with eliminating individual plans and allowing those individuals to form or join associations.
That is not exactly what is in his plan. He is not going to eliminate individual plans. He is simply going to encourage associations.
I will tell you this and Paul should listen---groups often times cannot buy health insurance per person cheaper than an individual can.
I support the Paul plan among all the plans out there but I do encourage him to add language that will encourage at least some services to be subscription based. Until we address the pricing model we are not going to actually cut health care cost.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 10:12 am to I B Freeman
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That is not exactly what is in his plan. He is not going to eliminate individual plans. He is simply going to encourage associations.
sorry, you are correct and my misstatement. Corrected the OP.
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