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Racial Identity -- Who determines minority status?

Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:26 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:26 am
Obviously, as we know, you can identify as what you want.

But with things ranging from scholarships to government contracts based on race, how is one's race determined and proven if challenged?

With interracial relationships becoming increasingly common, this issue will get continually clouded in years to come.

Just from personal experience, I have friends with the following marriages:

White-Indian (red dot)
White-Mexican
White-Japanese
White-Chinese
White-Black

All but the White-Black identify as white. (Side note: The black guy in this relationship is a solid, conservative dude and the white chick is pure trash. They are divorced, not surprising. He only dates white chicks)
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32551 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:33 am to
quote:

But with things ranging from scholarships to government contracts based on race, how is one's race determined and proven if challenged?

When a lot of this foolishness on college campuses came into the forefront, I said that I identified as a female native American. Can I get a scholarship now?
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21912 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:34 am to
The racists in the Government determine minority status by policy.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:35 am to
But how? And using what data?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53018 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:35 am to
quote:

(Side note: The black guy in this relationship is a solid, conservative dude and the white chick is pure trash. They are divorced, not surprising. He only dates white chicks)

Sounds like a cornball brotha
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25365 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:36 am to
I would like it if we were never asked our race on job or academic admissions applications.

Basically the census should be the only time we check that box.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112495 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:37 am to
quote:

Who determines minority status?


Rachel Dolezal
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41686 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:39 am to
Status is based on which lobbies are working hardest.
Posted by FutureRATeammember
Member since Jan 2015
3768 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:42 am to
The 1964 civil rights act gave official minority status to several groups, Acadians being one.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112495 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:45 am to
quote:

The 1964 civil rights act gave official minority status to several groups, Acadians being one.


I've got my family tree traced back to Nova Scotia. What benefits am I entitled to?
Posted by FutureRATeammember
Member since Jan 2015
3768 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:48 am to
No idea. Preference in college applications and hiring?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:49 am to
Good question. Can anybody just say they are Hispanic? How would they know if you are or aren't?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:51 am to
The issue is who makes the determination and what info they use.

We can all generally agree on what broad group is considered a minority, but who is a member of that group can get murky.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32689 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:51 am to
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Can anybody just say they are Hispanic? How would they know if you are or aren't?
Does it matter if you are or aren't if that's what you identify as?
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13165 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:53 am to
Liberal progressives have used identity as a political strategy to literally divide and conquer. Prejudice will no longer be an issue when people are just people and no longer categorized into social distinctions.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112495 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:59 am to
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Can anybody just say they are Hispanic? How would they know if you are or aren't?


My grandchildren are registered in school as Hispanic because their mother is Mexican. The proof is the mom's birth certificate and continuing Mexican citizenship. But they've never asked to see those documents.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:02 am to
What got me thinking about this is that supposedly minorities don't get opportunities because they are discriminated against:


I know a kid, hispanic mother-white father. Very handsome young man, dark complexion, very ethnic looking.

However, he was raised in white household, very popular at a mostly white school, identified as white, went to college joined white fraternity, dates white girls.

If my daughter married him, I would not consider that to be an interracial relationship. I don't even consider the parents to be in an interracial relationship. I know they don't.

How do we have laws, rules, etc., regarding such a cloudy situation?

Posted by lsuoldft
Perdido Key, FL
Member since Jul 2014
247 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:05 am to
Every company I worked for used self identity on applications. You could fill out the section or leave it blank. If someone did fill it out you took them at their word and identified them as what they checked. Yes I even had an employee who identified as Cherokee. He was one quarter and it saved him in a couple of downsizing
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:08 am to
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He was one quarter


But what if he really wasn't?

What if someone lost their job, but he kept his, because of some unproven racial identity?

This is my point.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:17 am to
No company can ask "race" on the employment application.
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