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re: Race Relations In US Peaked Under GWB...
Posted on 11/29/14 at 6:52 pm to StrongSafety
Posted on 11/29/14 at 6:52 pm to StrongSafety
To the OP, yes. GWB had race relations going forward in this nation DESPITE the hatred that was been spewed at him constantly from the left and the so-called black leadership of this nation.
What EXACTLY did the 'white' people create? Seems like the white people of this nation have bent over backwards to try and help elevate the black community.
The major problems the blacks in this country face are mostly of their OWN making.
There are no longer any Jim Crow laws...heck every effort is made to ensure blacks are promoted in just about every aspect of US society.
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Yes, white people, the ones that started all this mess, can't run away from the disaster you created if we want to make this better for everyone and for our country.
What EXACTLY did the 'white' people create? Seems like the white people of this nation have bent over backwards to try and help elevate the black community.
The major problems the blacks in this country face are mostly of their OWN making.
There are no longer any Jim Crow laws...heck every effort is made to ensure blacks are promoted in just about every aspect of US society.
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:03 pm to Reubaltaich
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What EXACTLY did the 'white' people create?
I think he was referring to the White voters that got Obama elected.
That was the mess the Whites created.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:15 pm to elprez00
Oh yes...the great secret.
Because, you know, troops of whites were trekking into darkest Africa till capture slaves.
Because, you know, troops of whites were trekking into darkest Africa till capture slaves.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:33 am to udtiger
I don't see how anyone could argue that race relations were not better under Bush than any other president...especially Obama.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:10 am to DeltaDoc
I'm confused on what obama did.
If anything obama exposed that many of our thoughts on racism and race where just suppressed.
Every closet racist and their mom came out of the woodworks once a black man had the audacity to claim the presidency..racist on both sides.
We did what we usually do, after the civl rights act: Enact laws, but don't change our hearts.
How are we supposed to make progress if we don't change the way we feel and see others? There's not a damn law that's gonna change people's underlyinf opinions about people.
Obama also exposed a segment of black America unknown to a large segment of the world, particularly white people, because statistically most white people do not have a black or brown friend in their immediate circle...
Some cultural stuff and some things that were kept "in house"
So to speak were revealed. I think The beer summit illustrated that. Police have been mistreating us for centuries, and via obama we finally had a president that 1) as a black man, related to the injustic, 2) as a president that recognizes some groups are targeted because of his identity and work, he felt the moral obligation to speak on the matter.
Thus we saw the downward spiral from white people. I also think Obama has empowered more minorities to speak out about their greievances.
If anything obama exposed that many of our thoughts on racism and race where just suppressed.
Every closet racist and their mom came out of the woodworks once a black man had the audacity to claim the presidency..racist on both sides.
We did what we usually do, after the civl rights act: Enact laws, but don't change our hearts.
How are we supposed to make progress if we don't change the way we feel and see others? There's not a damn law that's gonna change people's underlyinf opinions about people.
Obama also exposed a segment of black America unknown to a large segment of the world, particularly white people, because statistically most white people do not have a black or brown friend in their immediate circle...
Some cultural stuff and some things that were kept "in house"
So to speak were revealed. I think The beer summit illustrated that. Police have been mistreating us for centuries, and via obama we finally had a president that 1) as a black man, related to the injustic, 2) as a president that recognizes some groups are targeted because of his identity and work, he felt the moral obligation to speak on the matter.
Thus we saw the downward spiral from white people. I also think Obama has empowered more minorities to speak out about their greievances.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:12 am to StrongSafety
quote:Was retarded, another example of facts get in the way of the mantra.
The beer summit illustrated that.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:14 am to StrongSafety
What we had before was minorities in their "place" and with less of a voice. Which works great for the majority, because they don't constantly have to hear about the real injustices in our country that don't primarily plague them...
So yes, maybe race relations took a step back because we, as a country, never reconciled for our sins, and some groups felt like some attempts at reconciliation were disingenuous..hence the continuing disparities.
The majority was pretty happy with the status quo because it worked for them. Now a new class of young Americans that werent gling to put up with those old despicable relics of the past came about, in hopes to change hearts, minds and the status quo...and the old guard looks at that as a threat.
So yes, maybe race relations took a step back because we, as a country, never reconciled for our sins, and some groups felt like some attempts at reconciliation were disingenuous..hence the continuing disparities.
The majority was pretty happy with the status quo because it worked for them. Now a new class of young Americans that werent gling to put up with those old despicable relics of the past came about, in hopes to change hearts, minds and the status quo...and the old guard looks at that as a threat.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:15 am to StrongSafety
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Every closet racist and their mom came out of the woodworks once a black man had the audacity to claim the presidency
Since racism was redefined to include not agreeing with obama policy then I suppose you nailed it. In 2008 Chris Matthews declared the only reason not to vote for obama was racism.
Yea, the stimulus waste, ACA, obama picking and choosing which laws to enforce and which to ignore exposed us all for the racists we are.
I would vote for any one of several black men should they decide to run for POTUS. None are named barack obama though.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:19 am to Jbird
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Was retarded, another example of facts get in the way of the mantra.
The underlying premise remains--police disproportionally and unfairly target blacks and Latinos.
That hasn't change and remains the status quo. We haven't had a president in history note that. and now we finally have one that wants speak for the "voiceless" so to speak and primarily white conservatives jump up becahse he is bejng "divisive" and "race baiting."
If it's the truth, then where is the problem?
I think some people really have a hard time coming to grips with the different american experiences some groups have in this country.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:28 am to StrongSafety
I'm still waiting to hear what I did, personally, to 'create this disaster' you spoke of.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:30 am to StrongSafety
quote:So again facts don't matter. So you don't think it hurts his message when he uses horeshit examples?
That hasn't change and remains the status quo. We haven't had a president in history note that. and now we finally have one that wants speak for the "voiceless" so to speak and primarily white conservatives jump up becahse he is bejng "divisive" and "race baiting."
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:37 am to StrongSafety
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I'm confused on what obama did. If anything obama exposed that many of our thoughts on racism and race where just suppressed.
A sitting president should not make comments like "if I had a son" or "people are angry...justifiably so".
He is taking sides in a matter that is deeply centered, rightfully or wrongfully, around race.
Presidents sometimes have to put aside their personal feelings on a matter to lead the nation - not just their particular party or race.
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Thus we saw the downward spiral from white people. I also think Obama has empowered more minorities to speak out about their greievances.
This may be true. However, when you speak of a grievance, it needs to be predicated in reality. Moreover, when larger issues, such as black on black crime and minority unemployment are not mentioned when speaking of grievances, it breeds skepticism and cynicism. All of which point back to my original point - race relations peaked under GWB.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 12/1/14 at 9:42 am to DeltaDoc
relations are have been set back 50 years and that FACT can't be ignored
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:15 am to StrongSafety
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The underlying premise remains--police disproportionally and unfairly target blacks and Latinos.
Blacks and Latinos should stop committing a disproportionate amount of violent crime.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:17 am to DeltaDoc
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so much so that an African American was elected on the heels of his presidency...and they have been on the decline since.
True or False?
True
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:18 am to StrongSafety
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Yes, white people, the ones that started all this mess, can't run away from the disaster you created if we want to make this better for everyone and for our country.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:22 am to StrongSafety
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Yes, white people, the ones that started all this mess, can't run away from the disaster you created if we want to make this better for everyone and for our country.
For once, I agree with you.
It WAS white liberals that put Obama in the White House. This is a disaster of our own making.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:30 am to StrongSafety
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I think some people really have a hard time coming to grips with the different american experiences some groups have in this country.
I don't care about different groups "experiences" in this country. Go to work, don't break the law, and take care of yourself and family. So what if you get pulled over more often than others? If you follow my second sentence you will be just fine.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:23 am to bamarep
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relations are have been set back ... and that FACT can't be ignored
I really don't see how anyone could dispute this.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 11:28 am to navy
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I really don't see how anyone could dispute this.
If you read between the lines, you will realize that they view the "setting back" as an accomplishment. Your assumption that libs want to solve the race issue is simply inaccurate.
StrongSafety is going to be pissed if he ever figures out that he has aligned himself with the racist whitey's that he hates so much.
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