re: Question to libs about prexisting conditions and high risk

did you even read your link?

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Genetic factors likely play some role in high blood pressure, heart disease, and other related conditions. However, it is also likely that people with a family history of heart disease share common environments and other potential factors that increase their risk.

The risk for heart disease can increase even more when heredity combines with unhealthy lifestyle choices, such as smoking cigarettes and eating an unhealthy diet.

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here is another LINK

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Cigarette smoking is the most important preventable cause of premature death in the United States. It accounts for more than 440,000 of the more than 2.4 million annual deaths. Cigarette smokers have a higher risk of developing several chronic disorders. These include fatty buildups in arteries, several types of cancer and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (lung problems). Atherosclerosis (buildup of fatty substances in the arteries) is a chief contributor to the high number of deaths from smoking. Many studies detail the evidence that cigarette smoking is a major cause of coronary heart disease, which leads to heart attack.

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CDC

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Smoking is a major cause of CVD and causes one of every three deaths from CVD.9 Smoking can:

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Heart disease and stroke are major causes of death and disability in the United States. Many people are at high risk for these diseases and don’t know it. The good news is that many risk factors for heart disease and stroke can be prevented or controlled.

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In addition to your ABCS, several lifestyle choices can help protect your heart and brain health. These include the following:13,14

Avoid breathing secondhand smoke.
Eat low-fat, low-salt foods most of the time and fresh fruits and vegetables.
Maintain a healthy weight.
Exercise regularly.
Limit alcohol use.
Get other health conditions (such as diabetes) under control.

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CDC on tobacco use and SES

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Yes, you are.

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I'm a registered Democrat who has never voted for a Republican for any federal office other than US Rep (when my only 2 options were Republicans

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We have to design a health system that accounts for all facets of the society, not just the healthy or the well-off.

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so we have to design a system that hurts the people making optimal health decisions to subsidize those who make poor health decisions? in what world is that logical or fair?

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The UK most certainly does not do it better.

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Average life expectancy for women in the UK is 82.8 years, men is 79.1.

Average life expectancy for women in the US is 81.3 years, men is 78.6.

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in what world is that logical or fair?

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You honestly expect her to be logical or fair?

That's the thing. She believes that it's fair to take from one to pay for the other.

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Average life expectancy for women in the UK is 82.8 years, men is 79.1.

Average life expectancy for women in the US is 81.3 years, men is 78.6.

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You can't equate a slightly longer life expectancy solely to healthcare...cmon man. There are so many other variables involved it's not even funny.

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You can't equate a slightly longer life expectancy solely to healthcare...cmon man.

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But that was my point earlier, that trend carries across Europe. You countered that we like to stuff our faces with bon bons and french fries, but statistically on average so to do the British.

I would agree if that trend was isolated to one country but it isnt.

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i bet if you took the top half of both societies, they would be normalized and the US may be ahead

while, if you took the bottom half of both, the UK would smash the US

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I could see some truth to that. Ultimately in that sense it has more to so with income inequality than healthcare in general.

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There's more to demographics than just race and obesity.

But yes, if you want to use just those two...

You posted obesity rates.

US 13% black
UK 3.5% black

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Are we alluding to the fact that white people are healthier than black people across the world?

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Are we alluding to the fact that white people are healthier than black people across the world?

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I think he's alluding to the fact that it's a uniquely US problem.