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re: Pretty disheartening poll: wide majority of even most republicans support wealth taxes

Posted on 11/30/19 at 1:50 am to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57387 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 1:50 am to
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Actually I mean the super rich elite that buy lobbyists and politicians.
List them. who are they?

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paying their fair share
In your view what percentage of the total tax burden should a slim 1% of the population fund?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57387 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 1:52 am to
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WHatever the "1%" has will nowhere near pay for all the shite the leftists say it will.
If you took all of their income it wouldn’t even balance the current budget. if you take their wealth, you’ll only do it once. Then what?
This post was edited on 11/30/19 at 1:57 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57387 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 1:55 am to
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Not all dollars are equal.
Really? Where can I find some dollars thst are worth more than $1?

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That's the whole reason income taxes aren't flat in the first place, and why in the 1950s when things were going pretty well for everyone economically no one even batted an eye at the thought that someone at the absolute upper crust would pay a percentage of income tax several times higher than someone in the middle class.
Posted by Carl Tuckerson
The wind-swept plains
Member since Oct 2019
1026 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 2:11 am to
The sad thing is that you probably sincerely believed those responses were funny and clever.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57387 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 2:41 am to
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The sad thing is that you probably sincerely believed those responses were funny and clever.
Since you don’t even understand that money is a commodity—I’m not sure what serious economic discussion you’re expecting.

You’re desire to make this about me rather than your assertions is.... telling.
Posted by Carl Tuckerson
The wind-swept plains
Member since Oct 2019
1026 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 3:03 am to
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Since you don’t even understand that money is a commodity—I’m not sure what serious economic discussion you’re expecting.

You’re desire to make this about me rather than your assertions is.... telling.

First of all, it's hilarious that you insinuate I made this personal after you came in here acting like an arse and in the same post where you insult my economic knowledge base.
Secondly, I wasn't actually expecting any discussion with you. You're the one who injected yourself into someone else's discussion with condescending quips and emoticons instead of anything helpful.

My post was making a very limited point to present someone else's argument in a more helpful light. The original post involved said this:

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he 40% don’t pay any income tax, and the other 59% have a relatively larger portion of they money taken out of every paycheck


Which is obviously getting at the fact that everyone has necessary expenses to live, and which don't scale linearly with income. A billionaire almost certainly spends more than I do on his necessities in absolute terms, but he spends a lower proportion of his income than I do to meet those needs. The poster didn't state the point accurately, but that doesn't mean it should go unacknowledged when it can be fixed.

Does that observation matter? To some it doesn't, and that's a fair position. Set a given % as a man's fair share and have people pay that % without regard for how much they make. That's perfectly reasonable and I wouldn't mind living under that regime.
To some, it does. There's historical precedent for the contrary view, that those with a higher income should pay a higher % of that income, and the basis for that belief among ordinary people who hold it is a value judgment that people who can carry a higher tax burden and still live comfortable lives and provide for their families should do so. That's a perfectly reasonable value judgment to take, no matter how many condescending emoticons you intend to post underneath this quoted sentence.

None of that has anything to do with the functions of money in any meaningful or relevant sense. So not only is your declaration that I don't understand the concept of money as a commodity wrong, it wouldn't be relevant to anything I've said even if it were right. Just another useless post.
Posted by tiger7166
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
2625 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 4:10 am to
Never trust a poll or a politician
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 4:15 am to
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if by "the 1%", you mean people that work and exorcise wisdom by earning money and investing, then I guess you have a point

nah, who am I kidding


Yeah all the Walton little shits were pioneers in their industry and had nothing handed down to them
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 4:39 am to
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Based on your comment, all taxation is taking what others earn or possess.


By definition, it is. However, most people realize that allowing for some level of your own government to take what you’ve earned is preferable to allowing some foreign governments army to take what you’ve earned.

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So, what is NotoriousFSU’s threshold for taxation and theft?


My personal preference is 10%. If that’s good enough for God, it should be good enough for DC.
This post was edited on 11/30/19 at 4:39 am
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21747 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 5:47 am to
I just want a tax on movies, both at the theater, cable, downloads, and the dvds. Maybe $10 per.

A tax on music cds, pay radio, downloads, and concerts would be nice too.

The entertainment industry needs to pay their fair share.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99185 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 7:08 am to
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Well actually you're wrong

LINK /


Sat and read this.

First strike - ABA article

Second strike - author admits the most recent statement on the issue from SCOTUS is against the being constitutional.

Third strike - steeped in "original intent" which if accepted about be no bueno to the progressive agenda
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14934 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 7:11 am to
Taxes are theft
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2661 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 7:51 am to
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Source: Survey Monkey

it's a fricking Internet poll, you dumb arse!


This. We've seen one BS poll after another. We see daily that public opinion has turned against Trump; then the next day he's stronger than ever. Why we spend even a minute discussing these so called poll results is beyond me.
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8521 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 8:54 am to
Exactly.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:09 am to
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Pure and simple

What is going on?


Republicans have labeled crony capitalism and corporatism as the free market for far too long.

Too many IB Chinamans out there that have labeled the status quo as meritocracy. It’s a bullshite lie inadequate people have told themselves for success they are too insecure to admit they only have because of protectionism or some other corrupt measure.

Drain. The. fricking. Swamp.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112616 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:21 am to
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It’s popular because of course people would love to get some stuff owned by others


I used to think that. But after a lot of IRL conversations with co-workers who were left wing Dems I am convinced that they harbor no illusions that rich people's money will be transferred to them.
They simply want the rich to be soaked because it would make them feel good.

Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3372 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:35 am to
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Check a tax bracket chart



Checking a tax bracket is meaningless. Our tax code is too complicated and has too many loop holes that any making 5 mil/year is never going to pay what their “tax bracket” rate is.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3372 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:37 am to
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My personal preference is 10%. If that’s good enough for God, it should be good enough for DC.



I support this, simplification of the tax code, and having more people pay taxes.

Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11196 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:42 am to
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They simply want the rich to be soaked because it would make them feel good.


100% this. Leftist and liberal minds are obsessed with fairness. The outcome for the tax is irrelevant.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27470 posts
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:44 am to
How about a 999 flat tax?
Inflation gets controlled.
Everyone pays their fair share.
Get rid of IRS except collections and no exemptions.


I am all in.

Libs, what do you say?
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