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re: Powell: ‘The US is on an unsustainable fiscal path’

Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124466 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:08 pm to
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I'm interested in your opinion on Bitcoin as an off-ramp from the dollar to some meaningful degree.
Current Bitcoin market cap is $837B. US GDP is $27.3T. BTC would have to jump to $1.4M/coin to cover that, by itself.

We'd also need a Constitutional Amendment to allow default.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11248 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:17 pm to
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he US is on an unsustainable fiscal path’



Everybody knows this. So the question becomes are the politicians really this dumb, or are they sellouts? Hint: you don’t advance that far in politics by being a dummy.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162283 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:24 pm to
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frick him. At this point, I hope the mf collapses

Masochist board
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68644 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:29 pm to
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Who gets to pick who votes?



quote:

Yeah, this is a terrible idea


It's also a terrible idea to have a system where the vote counters are more important than the voters.

But here we are.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162283 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:31 pm to
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I'd settle for property owners regardless of race.

That's also stupid of course
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
68644 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:44 pm to
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Let me guess, white men that own property?


No, no race requirement.

Property ownership is too easy to comply with. You can take an acre and sell fractional interests fo $10.

There are a number of ways.

A 5 grade level civics test would be one way.

My favorite is a voting suspension if you are on government assistance. Insurance like Social security Medicare or unemployment excepted.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18169 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:53 pm to
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Current Bitcoin market cap is $837B. US GDP is $27.3T. BTC would have to jump to $1.4M/coin to cover that, by itself.

We'd also need a Constitutional Amendment to allow default.

I didn't ask about replacing the dollar. "Some meaningful degree" - and I'm talking about on a global scale.

Example - will BTC become a safe haven for many like gold is?

Example - will BTC ever be used in place of the dollar in trading for oil ... say even 10% of the oil market?
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
25113 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Powell: ‘The US is on an unsustainable fiscal path’

Congress will respond by depressing the accelerator.

Not that it will do any good since we've already plunged off the cliff and are approaching terminal velocity, but they'll do it anyway.

It's gonna be a rough landing, folks. And nothing can stop it. We're in freefall and 60+% of America is completely oblivious. I hate what we have become.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6844 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:17 pm to
And China is right on our tail ....No one survives this ...WW3 and see who lives .....
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
16073 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:23 pm to
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unsustainable fiscal path


No shite
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29255 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:26 pm to
I think they all know the collapse of the country is coming so the politicians are trying to make hay (launder as much taxpayer money as possible) while the sun is still shining.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
51921 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:49 pm to
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You've probably posted it before but I've not seen it - I'm interested in your opinion on Bitcoin as an off-ramp from the dollar to some meaningful degree.


I actually haven't, my BTC posts are very few and far between as I understand just enough of it to believe I don't understand enough.

I see Bitcoin as a bit like gold in that there is very finite amount of both in the economy at any given time, at least until more is mined. Theoretically you can fractionalize an ounce of gold down as far as you need to buy a stick of gum, but the reality of it is that getting down to that level would mean carrying around sacks of gold dust and hoping businesses have scales available. That's simply not practical.

BTC, on the other hand, can be fractionalized down to whatever decimal point is needed because it's all based on computers doing the work and warehousing that data. With that, the price of a bitcoin can inflate infinitely while being transacted at greater decimal points.

I don't see governments being too excited about a currency they can't control so there's a definite built-in resistance to it from that standpoint. That resistance could (and likely does) fuel demand to some level. At this point it's looking like governments will be dragged kicking and screaming into this environment but it's going to be a slow process.

I think right now that cryptocurrency as an off-ramp from the dollar is a bit like EVs are to ICE vehicles. It sounds good but there are some very real practical hurdles it has to get over first.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Member since Oct 2023
650 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:54 pm to
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Social Security (it's just a Ponzi scheme now


Defined benefit pensions have always been a Ponzi scheme.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15347 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:47 pm to
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They want a collapse.


They want a lot more in taxes. This awaits us should Biden get reelected. There's a lot of money to squeeze out of the people if they really want to. Wealth taxes. Taxes on unrealized capital gains. Gonna squeeze the upper and upper middle class.
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8429 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:55 pm to
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efined benefit pensions have always been a Ponzi scheme.


Social Security was never intended as a defined benefits pension plan. At least not what I define a defined benefits pension plan to be. It was orginally designed as a Retirement Savings Plan funded by employee - employer contributions. I recall the sum of those employee - employer contributions equals roughly 12% of employee wages - a tiddy sum.

Left alone to accrue with only compounding interest accounts a fella could acquire a nice sum for retirement. The govmint even created a fancy name for this accumulation of S/S retirement savings - they called it (trumpets blaring).....(wait for it)....."THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND".

Except it didn't stay a Trust Fund very long, cause during the eighties Joe Biden (Yep, he was there) and his crooked democrat pals saw all them billions of dollars flowing into those S/S Accounts and they started licking their chops. Hmmmm? How to get unrestricted access to them billions?

So they pulled a bait-and switch. They raised Social Security Taxes and then they stole it. Yep, they simply voted to roll Social Security receipts over into the General Fund. Basically treating those monies as just another tax income stream. But to hide the theft, they kept sending out these Social Security Account and Benefit Statements. Just like ole Bernie Madoff did with his Ponzi scheme. It all looked so legit. Legit right up to the moment Ole Bernie told his son it was all a lie, one gigantic Ponzi scheme.

So this is the situation my fellow Americans - we're running a $33 trillion dollar deficit. So that means that somewhere in them trillions flowing into the government coffers is you - and your employer social security contributions. Think Slush Fund. Money comes in - money goes out. Outflows to fight a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine, some more to bomb some goat herders in Syria, plus some more to feed Pedro Gonzalez (and his pregnant wife) after crossing (illegally) over our southern border. Have you read about the ridiculous benefits these illegals are getting? Including Social Security Cards. Hablas español? Quiero mis pagos de TANF en billetes de 20 dólares por favor, gracias.

Do you get the picture? Now, all together (including you Biden Groupies) bend over........

C'mon man, I thought you liked me - Creepy Joe Biden
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 11:04 am
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
55032 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:00 pm to
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The U.S. national debt topped $34 trillion for the first time ever in early January, just over three months after surpassing the $33 trillion mark, according to data released by the U.S. Treasury.


The massive escalation started with Ronnie trying to buy our way out of the oil shocks of the 1970's that killed Nixon, Ford, and Carter. Since then EVERY POTUS (D&R) have done their part to borrow more and pass the tab to a future POTUS. At some point, the musical chairs will stop and a crash will ensue that will make The Great Depression look like a childs game.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18169 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:35 pm to
Bard, I appreciate the response.

quote:

I see Bitcoin as a bit like gold in that there is very finite amount of both in the economy at any given time, at least until more is mined.

The gold analogy is solid with the caveat that unlike gold, there is a finite amount of BTC - there will never be more than 21 million BTC. With gold, proven/probable reserves are technically finite but in practical terms, are in great part a function of gold price.

quote:

I don't see governments being too excited about a currency they can't control so there's a definite built-in resistance to it from that standpoint. That resistance could (and likely does) fuel demand to some level. At this point it's looking like governments will be dragged kicking and screaming into this environment but it's going to be a slow process.

I think right now that cryptocurrency as an off-ramp from the dollar is a bit like EVs are to ICE vehicles. It sounds good but there are some very real practical hurdles it has to get over first.

I see it differently and would put it this way -

EVs are being shoved down the market's throats before their technological/economic time by government for political reasons, and Bitcoin is the exact opposite in every regard.

It's going to be an interesting ride.
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
1934 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 10:19 pm to
US Entitlement spending accounts for 50% of the Budget. That’s food stamps, welfare, housing, Medicaid, rehabilitation programs for druggies, you name it. The problem is clearly entitlement spending. However, no politician has the balls to end it or even try to debate a better way to pay for those who refuse to work, or are perpetual government handout leaches. Who keep in mind breed the rest of their families to think a like. Until we as a collective whole figure out how to help those who refuse to work or come up with a Buddy system to support them on our own we are fricked as a nation.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
18109 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:19 am to
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The problem is clearly entitlement spending.


Every form of government spending is entitlement spending. The military is now little more than a tax-funded woke corporation that provides jobs programs for aggrieved voting constituencies and boondoggles for the embedded donor class in the MIC that is enriched by this era of perpetual war.

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