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Pentagon Grants Itself Authority Over 'Civil Disturbances'

power grab

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The lines blurred even further Monday as a new dynamic was introduced to the militarization of domestic law enforcement. By making a few subtle changes to a regulation in the U.S. Code titled “Defense Support of Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies” the military has quietly granted itself the ability to police the streets without obtaining prior local or state consent, upending a precedent that has been in place for more than two centuries.


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Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances.



The state is preparing.

Are you?





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theunknownknight
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Ann has a horse


CptRusty
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necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances.


Now why would something like that happen???


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Tiguar
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IRS targeting political dissent.

DHS ordering tons of ammo.

Now this.

I almost wish Beck still had his show on Fox, god damn it would be gold right about now.


uway
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IRS targeting political dissent.

DHS ordering tons of ammo.


You saw all the evidence you need to see in the Boston manhunt.

The state will strip all of your rights without a second thought.

They will drone strike you and your family if you resist.


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RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Frick you Barack Chavez, frick you.


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Taxing Authority
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Ann has a horse


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darkhorse
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WOW!

Totally unbelievable....


Kolbysfan
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Get out while u can...


bunky
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Get out while u can...


And go where exactly?


GoBigOrange86
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And go where exactly?


Why don't you go to SOMALIA if you're so ANTI-GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!

Forward


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You saw all the evidence you need to see in the Boston manhunt.
Yep!


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Champagne
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This is very interesting.

I like the idea of military commanders having the authority to immediately help the local community without authorization from local, state or federal when things like the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake suddenly wipes out the city.

On the other hand, if we have something like the Los Angeles Riots after the OJ Trial, I'm not so sure. I don't understand why the military commander would not have time to obtain authorization through traditional channels if something like the LA Riots strike. I think that the required authorization can be obtained fairly quickly.
This post was edited on 5/18 at 11:35 pm


Clames
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Military commanders have had "immediate authority" to support civil operations, absolutely nothing new. Once a commander exercises this authority they are on a short suspense to send notification up their chain to the SecDef. Tin-foil hats are getting a little too tight around here but I'm not surprised given the abysmal level of understanding most folks have when it comes to DSCA.


Champagne
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I'm working from memory here, and, yes, I agree that civil operations are as you describe. But, if I recall correctly, civil ops involve a scenario such as the 1906 San Fran Earthquake. The local Army commander immediately responded by sending his troops to help save lives and property.

The "civil disturbance" scenario is different, I think. The response to a civil disturbance, such as a huge riot or insurrection, would presumably involve using troops in police activities to restore order. This is much different from helping to put out fires and sending medics to apply bandages to the injured, so, some concern might be warranted.

I'm sure that the problematic parts of the DoD reg can be revised. I doubt that there is some secret DoD intent to expand any existing laws or policies via "stealth" regulations.
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Clames
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I'm working from memory here, and, yes, I agree that civil operations are as you describe. But, if I recall correctly, civil ops involve a scenario such as the 1906 San Fran Earthquake. The local Army commander immediately responded by sending his troops to help save lives and property.


Almost got it but no, it does not take anything as bad an major earthquake to exercise that authority. It could be a local river threatening to flood a subdivision and the commander has engineers drop sand bags because the local authorities didn't have the resources.

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The "civil disturbance" scenario is different, I think. The response to a civil disturbance, such as a huge riot or insurrection, would presumably involve using troops in police activities to restore order.


Well there was a Presidential declaration to use the NG during the LA riots. Of course, the key wording in this revision involves that there is some possible scenario where the President is somehow incapacitated. Which is basically a non-issue anyway seeing as the SecDef has a great deal of authority concerning DSCA ops. State governors already have the authority to use Title 32 troops in direct law enforcement activities if the need arises. Title 10 troops cannot be used to directly support LEO's (not even as much to direct traffic) without SecDef approval.


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Big Brother will handle everything.


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GetBackToWork
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15 years ago the boogeyman was FEMA. Clinton was going to become dictator through vague language authorizing FEMA power over other agencies during crisis.

Katrina ruined that fantasy.


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