re: Pakistan just launched major missile strikes on Iran

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We are on the verge of a world war and nobody knows where the President or Sec of Defense is.

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Maybe a good thing, honestly

Hope they turn each other into glass. These people can't be civilized. They were sleeping in tents in the desert not even 100 years ago

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IRAN-PAKISTAN

No, they are not about to go to war: that’s a rabid Atlanticist wet dream.

They are both SCO members.

Contiguous Sistan-Balochistan in Iran and Balochistan in Pakistan are extremely complicated - desert - latitudes.

There are separatists on both sides of the ultra porous border - from across the spectrum, Takfiris, anti-ayatollahs, “liberation armies", you name it.

The CIA, predictably, has been playing Divide and Rule in Pak Balochistan for decades.

What just happened is that both Tehran and Islamabad - employing high tech means - bombed people they consider terrorists. Tit for tat. There have been warnings - and they do not, and will not, strike each other’s military bases.

In my visits to both Iran and Pakistan over the years I always requested a nearly impossible to obtain permit to visit Sistan-Balochistan in Iran and extreme south Balochistan in Pakistan (I have been to the north, around Quetta).

The requests were always politely refused - by both sides: too dangerous, and we cannot guarantee your safety.

Tehran and Islamabad will definitely need a resolute push to get rid of all “terrorists” - whatever their affiliations. Their existence is a dream CIA scenario.

Perhaps the solution could come via an SCO mechanism. Russia-China would fully support it.

That will impact on the success of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the key BRI project; the future IP gas pipeline; and the overall stability of a key node of Eurasia integration.

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I don’t think this will escalate to a war between Pakistan and Iran. Pakistan’s strike was most likely a face saving display. The sites struck in Iran and Pakistan are not key strategic areas that necessitate each side ramping up for a broader conflict.

Iran’s attack on the Baluchi site in Pakistan was a message to the CIA. U.S. intelligence has had relations with Baluchis that date back to at least 1979. Baluchi operatives in the United States and in Pakistan played a key role in the planning and preparation for Operation Eagle Claw, the ill-fated attempt in 1980 to rescue the American hostages in Iran.

I fear that this is adding another fuel soaked log to the fire already raging in Gaza, the West Bank, Southern Lebanon and Syria. If the United States decides to take military action against Iran in response to Tehran’s actions then we are entering a new and dangerous phase that could lead to a full blown war.

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Why because we supported the Shah? That was the most prosperous era in Iranian history and the only time those people have been close to joining the modern world. People in that part of the world need strong men/borderline dictators in leadership like the Shah not mob rule which is what democracy becomes when you have a fanatical populace.

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Your knowledge of history is limited. The CIA instigated a coup, resulting in hundreds of deaths to Iranians, all because British oil companies were siphoning off the oil wealth. When the freely elected leader of Iran requested an audit on payments to Iran for this oil, these companies refused. In retaliation, Iran's government nationalized the oil businesses, and the UK as well as the US initiated a boycott of Iranian oil, then instigated a coup in order to place a leader that would be more friendly to the oil companies.

So, whether or not those people should be ruled by a puppet leader or dictator, the fact is the people freely elected their leaders in government and the US took a huge shite on Iran's sovereignty and inserted their own man, who formed the SAVAK, a more ruthless version of the CIA, to put down opposition. Imagine the US with an organization like the C I A but where they used Gestapo tactics to keep us all in order? Speaking out against the government,as we do here, was an offense that could get you and your family arrested, thrown in prison and tortured.

It's a little more than, "we supported the Shah". We fricking put him there and helped him put SAVAK in place. Thousands of Iranians went "missing" after being detained for questioning.

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Hope they turn each other into glass. These people can't be civilized. They were sleeping in tents in the desert not even 100 years ago

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Lol. No they weren't.

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Religion?
Sunni vs Shia

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Sort of. Pakistan is a major, perhaps the most significant, ally of The Kingdom. They worked together on the most important projects to mainstream Sunni Islam: the expulsion of the Soviets from Afghanistan and the Sunni nuke project (the Saudis provided much of the funding for Pakistan's nuclear program and hold title to several of the weapons in Pakistan's possession).

So, Iran's longstanding beef with the Saudis extends to Pakistan at times. China is trying to moderate some of this behind the scenes, but all dealings with the CCP come with a cost. Plus - Iran's government is schizophrenic, bipolar and unstable, so it is difficult to manage what they will do in response to any positive or negative reinforcement.

None of the major Sunni nations are happy with Iran's role in October 7th or the current Houthi bullshite.

(*The "sort of" really means the Palis - they are nominally Sunni, but really their religion is being Palestinian. As the Saudis and Egyptians have pulled back from them over the past 15 to 20 years, Iran has stepped in to fill the gap with financing, yes, largely due to the Obama and Biden administrations' cash transfers.)

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Because the cia meddled in that countries politicks and that eventually led to the ayatollahs.
The US needs to stay out of other countries politicks, it always comes back to bite us or is that the plan for forever wars?

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The Brits did too