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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism

You have provided nothing.

I don't think you know what observable, peer-reviewed, testable data is.


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NC_Tigah
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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
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I feel the same way about that as I do about teaching man came from monkeys

Who is saying man came from monkeys?

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For example, we have just this year, Todd Preuss stating in the PNAS that:
Do you disagree with his conclusions that Humans and chimpanzees diverged 6 to 8 Mya, and the lineage leading to macaque monkeys diverged from the human-ape common ancestor ~25 Mya?

Image: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/suppl.1/10709/F1.medium.gif




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That Adam and Eve were the first two humans, that homo sapien started with them and then all humans have come from those two.



Wait, people still believe this? hah


darkhorse
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And you're also wrong here. That's exactly what Creationists do, which is the problem. They think everyone must do it that way too. Nothing could be further from the truth. Scientists do the exact opposite.


No I'm not wrong. But I'm not about to argue with you on it. Evolution interpets the data. It refuses data that goes against it's framework.





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It refuses data that goes against it's framework.


That's complete bullshite


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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
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That Adam and Eve were the first two humans, that homo sapien started with them and then all humans have come from those two.


Wait, people still believe this? hah
Lucy, Eve

Tom(a)to, Tom(ah)to

six, one half dozen



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darkhorse
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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
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quote: teaching man came from monkeys. No one teaches that because no one believes man came from monkeys.


Wait, so you want me to not take liberties with wording, but it's ok for you to?

LINK

I fully get that the belief is that we come from a common ancestor.

Now here is one thing that you are having a major issue with. You are reading into what's being stated. He asked me what my thoughts were on a 6500 year old earth being taught. Put it in context.

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quote:Science is science. It's a tool to gather data. Evolutionism is a framework. Creationism is a framework. They both put that data within their frame work. See what I mean?

No. No I do not.


Science gathers data. Evolution gets data from science for their model. Plain and simple!

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That Adam and Eve were the first two humans, that homo sapien started with them and then all humans have come from those two.


WAIT!! Man from monkey here!!!!! Where have I stated that? In fact, please show me WHERE the Genesis account states 2 humans were formed only?

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That dinosaurs and man lived side by side. That all animals were plant-eaters pre-Fall. That all current organisms on this earth stem from 2 as told in the Noah account. And so on and on and on. Explain the thousands of transitional fossils we have, including those of humanoids. Explain dinosaurs. Explain radio-carbon dating, as well as the dozens of other ways we confirm the date of various things that all agree with each other. and on and on and on.


So we are moving out of the genesis account of creation before ever finishing it?

I am more than willing to go where ever you want, but one thing at a time please.


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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
the way I heard it explained from a Catholic theologian who agrees with evolution says that some long time ago there where soulless homo sapiens then one day God ensouled two human beings adam and eve and from there all souled life came about.


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quote:I feel the same way about that as I do about teaching man came from monkeys Who is saying man came from monkeys?


My point is that there are misconceptions within creationism and evolutionism.

People think "man came from monkey/ape"

People think man came from 2...

See what I mean?

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Do you disagree with his conclusions that Humans and chimpanzees diverged 6 to 8 Mya, and the lineage leading to macaque monkeys diverged from the human-ape common ancestor ~25 Mya?


I neither disagree or agree. I was only making a point. Even in this thread we touched on "junk dna". A person stated we know that "x" is junk and has no use. "It's proven". Well, just this year, that has been "proven" wrong. Just as Todd Preuss stated, we thought we were close.. 98% 99%. Now we know that's not the case.

Following me on that? Hope that makes sense.


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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
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teaching man came from monkeys. No one teaches that because no one believes man came from monkeys.


Wait, so you want me to not take liberties with wording, but it's ok for you to?
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darkhorse
I asked a question about "young earth" earlier, which you answered with a man-came-from-monkey response.

I'm not trying to argue with you, and if you don't feel comfortable answering, that's certainly your prerogative. I'm just confused as to where you stand. For example, IMO evolution taught as foundational to probable atheistic precept is neither appropriate nor a necessary approach. But I disagree strongly with assertions that paleontology, anthropology, etc are not fields of science.


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That's complete bullshitee


Let's test that here then. I was ask for more data and I will give it.


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darkhorse
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I asked a question about "young earth" earlier, which you answered with a man-came-from-monkey response.


That's correct. I will try to explain it better. You asked if I was ok with that being taught. My response was to say that I am as ok with that as I am students being taught man came from monkey.

My point here is that I would love for science to be perfect every time in all fields. It's not. Those frameworks that interpet that data (incorrect data and correct data) will adjust as new data comes in. Would you not agree to that?

I specifically remember a poster in class showing an ape and suttle changes in the next picture followed by suttle changes in the next. LOL.. I did a search for an image, and this is close..

evolution of man

Make sense now?


darkhorse
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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
If you are asking if I am young earth or old earth, I'm neither.

Those are things that really get into deep studies and I understand both sides based on "evidence". It would take a long time to dive into it. Right now people are having enough issues with what they already know. I'm being asked to give data to back up things they already know! They just can not apply it to Genesis

In either case, the foundation of the creation account in genesis matches science. What happens is that people do not understand Genesis as shown in this thread. They take things out of context, call an absense of information a contradiction, they take everything chronological order and it is not. They do not study it and these are common mistakes people make due to that.



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darkhorse
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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
Ok.. I will link again to what is really already known.

1- Genesis 1:1. Let's start here. It was just a few hundred years ago that the general belief was the earth was flat and that the earth was the center. The Big Bang Theory is where I will start. It states the beginning was billion (14 right?) old. It states that the universe is rapidly expanding, and that there are clusters of galaxies. For my first point of evidence is the big bang theory. My second is the writer of Genesis creation account who was void of the knowledge we have now (remember the earth was flat and was the center only a few hundred years ago)

Big Bang

What you asked for is peer reviewed. My response to that is REALLY??? You actually want a peer reviewable link to the big bang theory?

Author's words

My assertion, claim if you will, is that is what happened and is what started in Gen 1:1.

On the rapidly expanding universe.. Well, if you researched deep enough in to the creation account you would find that in other parts of the Bible it talks about the expansion. Isaiah 42:5.."God stretched out the heavens". Jeremiah 51:15 states that too.

I will stop here and allow a response.


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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
What your describing isn't the creationism that would be taught in schools. Creationism isn't the belief that the bible is a metaphor for the natural processes that happened.

Creationism supports belief like dinosaurs and man coexisted.that all animals where created at the same time.


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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
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They can teach creationism in Sunday school if they want.

At least it is an attempt to explain origins. With all the "likely" science behind Evolutional Theory it can't remotely touch that. What church does that religion belong in?


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Public Schools shouldn't be teaching creationism is class but to teach evolution its place is a bigger joke.

This x 1,000,000


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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
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It just amazes me that there are serious people in the 21st Century who reject the evidence supporting evolutionary theory.


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SammyTiger
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re: Orleans Parish School Board votes to ban creationism
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the way I heard it explained from a Catholic theologian who agrees with evolution says that some long time ago there where soulless homo sapiens then one day God ensouled two human beings adam and eve and from there all souled life came about.



However you want to go about explaining what happened with your religious faith thats fine, but it doesn't belong in a biology class.


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