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re: Official Scotland Decides thread | Scotland votes "No" 55 - 44
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:33 pm to inthemorning
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:33 pm to inthemorning
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:39 pm to TN Bhoy
I'm trying to understand this chart.
Does the "Yes Rating" column mean the higher the number, the more likelihood that the listed Council will vote for independence?
Given that all voters must be registered, and that a large number of low rating Councils will report late, I see a Dem-style ballot stuffing exercise coming, where the "late reporters" stuff the ballots with "No" votes.
Does the "Yes Rating" column mean the higher the number, the more likelihood that the listed Council will vote for independence?
Given that all voters must be registered, and that a large number of low rating Councils will report late, I see a Dem-style ballot stuffing exercise coming, where the "late reporters" stuff the ballots with "No" votes.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:39 pm to chesty
Anyone who loves history should be tuned into this. This is a historic day no matter which way the vote goes.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:41 pm to chesty
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As a political science major, this is really interesting to watch
Not a poli sci guy
, but I'm very interested in this as well. 
. Nice to actually follow politics elsewhere more, tbh.
This post was edited on 9/18/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:41 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:I predict a comfortable "No" win. 60% or more.
Anyone who loves history should be tuned into this. This is a historic day no matter which way the vote goes.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:42 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Certainly
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I predict a comfortable "No" win. 60% or more.
Same. I don't think it's as close as some people are predicting.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:48 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Polling firms are going to be completely embarrassed.
Same. I don't think it's as close as some people are predicting.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:49 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Same. I don't think it's as close as some people are predicting.
Same, the yes vote supporters have been much more out there and vocal.
I have met a few Scots who are just like what ever, but say things would be better staying in the UK.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:50 pm to StraightCashHomey21
The only positive I could see coming out of this for them would be they control the oil reserves off their coast. Outside of that I don't see how this is a positive for them. Especially if the UK doesn't allow them to still use the pound as currency.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:52 pm to StraightCashHomey21
That article was FUD:
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. The reasons were all behind ifs and may statements. It would be one thing if a Scottish government would intervene in the scotch industry. However that is not what these articles in the Hindustani Times, and others are saying. Its just a bunch of ifs.
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. The reasons were all behind ifs and may statements. It would be one thing if a Scottish government would intervene in the scotch industry. However that is not what these articles in the Hindustani Times, and others are saying. Its just a bunch of ifs.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:53 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Everyone's banking on the oil reserves. I bet those in the Scottish oil industry are against it. They don't want to subsidize the rest of the country.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:56 pm to genro
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Everyone's banking on the oil reserves. I bet those in the Scottish oil industry are against it. They don't want to subsidize the rest of the country.
I'm pretty sure there have been a lot of Scottish based companies that have come out and said they will relocate to England if this happens. I don't blame them either.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:58 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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The only positive I could see coming out of this for them would be they control the oil reserves off their coast. Outside of that I don't see how this is a positive for them. Especially if the UK doesn't allow them to still use the pound as currency.
Self determination? Everything doesn't have to be based on monetary metrics.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 2:00 pm to genro
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Everyone's banking on the oil reserves. I bet those in the Scottish oil industry are against it. They don't want to subsidize the rest of the country.
Exactly
who the hell is going to fund their entitlement programs?
They actually want more of them than what the UK already has. The UK gov't spends more money per citizen in Scotland than anywhere in England.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 2:02 pm to GumboPot
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Self determination? Everything doesn't have to be based on monetary metrics.
It does when your citizens depend on someone else so much. Scotland does carry their own weight but not to the extend to sustain a country with the quality of life they are used to.
Also who is going to fund laying infrastructure for things like cell phone service and high speed internet.
This post was edited on 9/18/14 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 9/18/14 at 2:04 pm to genro
"International law precedents suggest that maritime borders follow land ones.
As the border between Scotland and England runs diagonally from south-west to north-east, the western border would extend south-west into the Solway Firth and the northern one at Berwick north-east into the North Sea.
This would mean that some oil the Scots regard as theirs —because they imagine the border running along a horizontal line of latitude — would in fact be English.
Much ‘Scottish’ oil is in the waters around the Shetlands, and it is far from certain that the Shetlanders — who will vote in the referendum next week — would wish to remain part of an independent Scotland.
The claim was repudiated by the head of petroleum engineering at Edinburgh’s Heriot-Watt University, who called the claim ‘clutching at straws’. The UK Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts that oil revenues, which have declined sharply in recent years, will be just £2.9 billion in 2016-17."
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As the border between Scotland and England runs diagonally from south-west to north-east, the western border would extend south-west into the Solway Firth and the northern one at Berwick north-east into the North Sea.
This would mean that some oil the Scots regard as theirs —because they imagine the border running along a horizontal line of latitude — would in fact be English.
Much ‘Scottish’ oil is in the waters around the Shetlands, and it is far from certain that the Shetlanders — who will vote in the referendum next week — would wish to remain part of an independent Scotland.
The claim was repudiated by the head of petroleum engineering at Edinburgh’s Heriot-Watt University, who called the claim ‘clutching at straws’. The UK Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts that oil revenues, which have declined sharply in recent years, will be just £2.9 billion in 2016-17."
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 2:05 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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I'm pretty sure there have been a lot of Scottish based companies that have come out and said they will relocate to England if this happens. I don't blame them either.
Unless the Scotts offer them a better deal.
The overwhelming assumption is the Scotts will remain fiscally liberal under an independent state. That's easy to do when you can hide under the UK teat. That dynamic suddenly changes when you're on your own. I hope they vote yes. The Scotts will suddenly become more conservative if they gain independence, IMO.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 2:06 pm to GumboPot
quote:The Scottish people are accustomed to a certain way of life, and don't have the resources to maintain it independently. Is self-determination in this case worth going through such austerity? Probably not.
Self determination? Everything doesn't have to be based on monetary metrics.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 2:13 pm to genro
considering scotland wants to go to an ultra socialistic state i say let them find out first hand how great utopia is.
This post was edited on 9/18/14 at 2:14 pm
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