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re: Obamacare: Dem Senator "That's not right, you shouldn't be paying more"
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:57 am to gatorrocks
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:57 am to gatorrocks
quote:
You seriously asking if the coverage was comparable? Does it matter? They had the coverage they needed. It was taken away and replaced by coverage they were forced to take. Forced to take or go without and pay a fine. Awesomesauce!
If there was a catastrophic illness or accident and the insurance didn't cover it they would be freeloading. Hospitals cannot refuse treatment based on ability to pay....so those costs are absorbed by everyone else.
Here is the Heritage Foundation's take on the mandate:
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:58 am to a want
quote:
Was it comparable coverage?
The spidey-tuba defense emerges
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:59 am to a want
quote:
Hospitals cannot refuse treatment based on ability to pay....so those costs are absorbed by everyone else.
sounds like that is a policy that needs addressing, then
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:00 am to a want
quote:
Hospitals cannot refuse treatment based on ability to pay....so those costs are absorbed by everyone else.
And they still will for people who opt-out.
Nothing has changed.
And you act like I give a shite about the "Heritage Foundation".
Both were shite ideas.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 8:01 am
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:02 am to Lsut81
quote:
"It's cost me more, my deductible has more than tripled and my monthly premium has doubled, so it's not affordable,"
Lies, all lies!
— Harry Reid
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:04 am to a want
quote:
Was it comparable coverage?
LOLOLOLOL
The good old Lib Defense...
"Your premiums will go down due to this legislation"
"Wait, your premiums went up???"
"Well that is because you are forced to buy better coverage, nevermind that we promised it was going to go down"
"You should thank us when you get pregnant"
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:05 am to Lsut81
rex and tuba were big proponents of that argument at the end of 2013
i dug into my actual old play and posted the comparable coverages...crickets
i dug into my actual old play and posted the comparable coverages...crickets
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:07 am to a want
I love the Heritage fallback defense. It's like people truly believe that it matters.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
crickets
Of course thats all you get... Its spin spin spin. If they can't refute the point it turns into "But"
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:10 am to Scruffy
i don't even like the fricking heritage foundation
but that argument is so hilarious. a memo from like 30 years ago that NEVER gained any actual traction = "gotcha"?
but that argument is so hilarious. a memo from like 30 years ago that NEVER gained any actual traction = "gotcha"?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:10 am to Scruffy
quote:
I love the Heritage fallback defense.
It's funny to see leftist run around and act like they love the Heritage Foundation.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:10 am to Lsut81
quote:Melissa Harris-Perry doesn't agree with those Dem responses. She thinks they should say "Screw you!"
Now that the truth is coming out its "You are misinformed" or "thats not how it is supposed to be"
From farther down the link page:
quote:
If Jeanne Shaheen read our top item today, she might have been annoyed that, while we criticized her for the way she approached constituents' complaints about ObamaCare, we didn't offer her any advice on how to do better. So let's consider an alternative approach, suggested by MSNBC hostess Melissa Harris-Perry and noted by NewsBusters.org the other day:
Harris-Perry:
"You can have some people--let's call them Republicans--who will go into a fallen down blighted house, slap on some granite counter tops, while ignoring real problems, and declare their work is the best thing ever."
After boasting about Democrats passing ObamaCare, she lamented:
"And they're not even owning it. No confidence, no swagger. No, 'Yeah, you can't keep your crappy plans. Just deal with that!' "
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
sounds like that is a policy that needs addressing, then
You and I have had this conversation many times before. In theory, we can talk about it. But here in the real world, there will never be the political will to let people die b/c they can't afford treatment.
From the Heritage Foundation:
quote:
If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. If we find that he has spent his money on other things rather than insurance, we may be angry but we will not deny him service - even if that means more prudent citizens end up paying the tab.
A mandate on individuals recognizes this implicit contract. Society does feel a moral obligation to insure that its citizens do not suffer from the unavailability of health care...
This, of course, is why the mandate is a great idea.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Exactly.
but that argument is so hilarious. a memo from like 30 years ago that NEVER gained any actual traction = "gotcha"?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:11 am to TrueTiger
quote:
It's funny to see leftist run around and act like they love the Heritage Foundation.
it's an attempt at a "gotcha" based in hypocrisy
except it ignores the fact that (1) it occurred a LONG arse time ago and (2) it was like one proposed policy that never gained popularity
if we can single out any random policy from some liberal-progressive group over the past 30 years (regardless of how popular it became), and try to show hypocrisy to the DEMs today, we'd be here all fricking day
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
I also enjoy the argument thrown up by awant in this thread...
"This will stop people from using the ER as their primary care doc"
Not it fricking won't as evidenced by the discussion 2 days ago in which the woman in home health went to the ER for a cold and ran up a $1600 bill.
You can't fix stupid. People will continue using the ER as their primary care, whereas the people who are responsible and use insurance correctly will get fricked over bc their primary docs will begin disappearing due to this clusterfrick.
"This will stop people from using the ER as their primary care doc"
Not it fricking won't as evidenced by the discussion 2 days ago in which the woman in home health went to the ER for a cold and ran up a $1600 bill.
You can't fix stupid. People will continue using the ER as their primary care, whereas the people who are responsible and use insurance correctly will get fricked over bc their primary docs will begin disappearing due to this clusterfrick.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:13 am to a want
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This, of course, is why the mandate is a great idea.
the mandate is only a "great" idea if you believe that doubling down on a policy that is terrible is its own great idea
the mandate is necessary to enforce a shitty policy built upon a flawed system created by previously enacted shitty policies
aka, government fricked up and made shite worse, so the government is trying to fix it by adding more government
how could that go wrong?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:13 am to a want
quote:Not unless the caller was on Medicaid previously. Otherwise it is very unlikely his previous coverage was as poor as something purchased through the Exchange.
Was it comparable coverage?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:14 am to Rickety Cricket
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So they'll audit him and find out that he must owe additional taxes or snoop through his personal emails and communications to determine what dirt they can find.
The sad thing is this is 100% correct. He done touched the stove! Can't complain much when screaming in pain
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:14 am to Lsut81
quote:
Not it fricking won't as evidenced by the discussion 2 days ago in which the woman in home health went to the ER for a cold and ran up a $1600 bill.
go to that study from WA i think, where expanded medicaid meant more costly treatment/ER trips (iirc)
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