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Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:52 pm to JuiceTerry
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Never understood why Snowden was a hero and Manning was a traitor. They're both traitors.
Motivations seemed to be quite different.
I think Snowden in his heart of hearts thought he was doing the right thing. Whether people think he was is up to them.
Manning's were borne out of a mental illness. He was a suicidal, gender-confused, maladjusted person who did what he did because he was fricked up in the head and was desperately seeking attention and was willing to do anything to extricate himself from his situation. The Army failed Manning in the first place by even putting him in that situation, but it doesn't ultimately excuse his lunacy.
I am willing to bet he'll be dead within ten years (and not because of some malevolence); he will destroy himself.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:53 pm to JuiceTerry
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Never understood why Snowden was a hero and Manning was a traitor. They're both traitors.
And the people that put the constitution violating programs in place that Snowden revealed? What about the helicopter crew that laughed while they murdered journalists that Manning gave proof of?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:53 pm to CommoDawg
No problem with this at all.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:54 pm to CommoDawg
A TRUE HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LONG LIVE CHELSEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
:bow: OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
ONE OF THE ONLY GOOD THINGS HE HAS DONE.
:bow: OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! ONE OF THE ONLY GOOD THINGS HE HAS DONE.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:54 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I think Snowden in his heart of hearts thought he was doing the right thing.
Snowden was bitter and a coward. His actions had nothing to do with the "right thing." If they did, he'd have done the "right thing" because he knew exactly what that was.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Snowden was bitter and a coward. His actions had nothing to do with the "right thing." If they did, he'd have done the "right thing" because he knew exactly what that was.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:55 pm to colorchangintiger
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And the people that put the constitution violating programs in place that Snowden revealed? What about the helicopter crew that laughed while they murdered journalists that Manning gave proof of?
That doesn't absolve either of their actions.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:55 pm to conservativewifeymom
quote:do you do the U.S. Constitution at all?
Question is: can Trump rescind Obama's commutation? I have no (polite) words to address Obama's or Manning's idiocy.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
So should we melt if Obama pardons/commutates Snowden?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:58 pm to CommoDawg
If Manning wasn't a psycho dick slicer and just a normal spy, would he have done it?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:59 pm to Sentrius
Do whatever you need to do, but he won't. We all know why Manning received this. Snowden, to our knowledge, is not going to win Obama any outgoing points.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That doesn't absolve either of their actions.
My point is that nothing happened to the people that they exposed.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 4:00 pm to udtiger
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If Manning wasn't a psycho dick slicer and just a normal spy, would he have done it?
Who was Manning a spy for?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 4:01 pm to colorchangintiger
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My point is that nothing happened to the people that they exposed.
Neat.
That changes nothing about Manning or Snowden.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 4:03 pm to CommoDawg
So shocked.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 4:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Snowden, to our knowledge, is not going to win Obama any outgoing points.
Obama just proved that he really doesn't care about national security and counterintelligence and has never been serious about with pardoning manning. Obama just practically neutered democrat talking points on Russia and Wikileaks.
Why should we think that Obama cares about any outgoing points as he's walking out the door having won the world's highest office twice?
Posted on 1/17/17 at 4:06 pm to colorchangintiger
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That doesn't absolve either of their actions.
My point is that nothing happened to the people that they exposed.
I can assure you that was not the case in Iraq.
Any insurgent with two cents in his head could have read the War Logs and figured out a lot of shite. I was six miles away from FOB Hammer when the Manning affair first came to light; people definitely died because of that treacherous piece of shite.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 4:06 pm to Sentrius
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Obama just proved that he really doesn't care about national security and counterintelligence and has never been serious about with pardoning manning. Obama just practically neutered democrat talking points on Russia and Wikileaks.
Do you think any of that has relevance to his decision? I sure don't.
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Why should we think that Obama cares about any outgoing points as he's walking out the door having won the world's highest office twice?
Obama has showed that, if nothing else, he cares about how his followers perceive him.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 4:09 pm to Sentrius
quote:When Trump pardons Snowden in his first week will you be equally upset?
Obama just proved that he really doesn't care about national security and counterintelligence and has never been serious about with pardoning manning. Obama just practically neutered democrat talking points on Russia and Wikileaks.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 4:10 pm
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