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NYC Cops accused of raping a girl; call her a slut as their defense
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:10 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:10 am
what a world
does anyone believe that this defense would be anything other than, at best, laughed at if used by anyone other than LEO?
Johne Wayne Gacy was wrong. to get away with murder, become a cop
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The teenager claims Hall and Martins took her into their van in handcuffs and told her they would let her go if she had sex with them. "There was zero consent," her lawyer, Michael David, told The New York Post. "The cops were over 6 feet tall. She's very petite, like 5-2 and maybe 100 pounds. There's nothing she could do."
A male friend in the car with Chambers when she was pulled over said the Prozac and Klonopin police found in were his, but police let him go. "They said she's not allowed to have them outside the bottle, they're a controlled substance, and she has to go to the precinct," he told the Post. "I saw them put her in cuffs." At the station a half-hour or so later, however, the friend was told Chambers had not been brought in. He found her back at the car, drove her home, and then went with her and her mother to the hospital.
Chambers alleges that one of the officers forced sexual intercourse on her and the other made her perform oral sex on him.
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Meanwhile, Hall and Martins have been trying the oldest trick in the predators' book: claiming she was asking for it. In a letter to the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office, the men's lawyers highlighted "provocative" selfies Chambers had posted on Instagram and Twitter. They also brought up a recent Twitter argument with someone accusing her of lying, in which Chambers retorted that she hoped the doubter's "mommy gets gang raped."
The lawyers suggested that this was "unprecedented" behavior "for a depressed victim of a vicious rape."
It should go without saying, but people handle trauma in different ways and there's no "right" way to be a rape victim. It also doesn't seem to terribly bizarre or "unprecedented" that a victim might push back (even–gasp!—impolitely) at people accusing her of lying, especially when an onslaught of social-media randos are bullying them. And to suggest there's something pathological about an 18-year-old posting selfies is simply absurd. Repeat after me, NYPD: Instagram content is not consent.
does anyone believe that this defense would be anything other than, at best, laughed at if used by anyone other than LEO?
Johne Wayne Gacy was wrong. to get away with murder, become a cop
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Meanwhile, Hall and Martins have been trying the oldest trick in the predators' book: claiming she was asking for it. In a letter to the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office, the men's lawyers highlighted "provocative" selfies Chambers had posted on Instagram and Twitter. They also brought up a recent Twitter argument with someone accusing her of lying, in which Chambers retorted that she hoped the doubter's "mommy gets gang raped."
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Strange, I am unable to find any articles with pictures of the alleged perpetrators. Every media source I've looked at only used stock images of NYPD police vehicles or uniforms.
Not sure if it has any significance, but just found it unusual.
Not sure if it has any significance, but just found it unusual.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
1. They had sex with her, no doubt about it.
2. Was it rape or was it for them to let her go on the drug charges?
Either way the officers are admitting to being TPOS's
2. Was it rape or was it for them to let her go on the drug charges?
Either way the officers are admitting to being TPOS's
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:23 am to MrLarson
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2. Was it rape or was it for them to let her go on the drug charges?
that's like asking if a person is intoxicated or super drunk
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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that's like asking if a person is intoxicated or super drunk
Exactly
They committed a crime either way. I guess they would rather defend not being a rapist.
However
I would still consider it rape given their position of power in the situation at the time.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:27 am to MrLarson
is this the chick with the racy intstagram page they're using to shame her? 
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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does anyone believe that this defense would be anything other than, at best, laughed at if used by anyone other than LEO?
What makes you think this will not be laughed at even when used by LEO?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:29 am to MrLarson
quote:If there was a sexual encounter, given the potentially coercive power structure of the relationship with LEOs and citizens in the situation, wouldn't it be some sort of sexual assault regardless even of it was "consensual?"
Was it rape or was it for them to let her go on the drug charges?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:31 am to buckeye_vol
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wouldn't it be some sort of sexual assault regardless even of it was "consensual?"
Personally I would call it rape but that doesn't mean jack shite in a court of law.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
No pics? Smh
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:44 am to boosiebadazz
In most states an inmate can't give consent but does that extend to a person in police custody but not yet booked into a facility?
And does that make willing sex between inmates mutual rape?
And does that make willing sex between inmates mutual rape?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
From what I read, she also posted on social media talking about a big pay day from suing. Is that not relevant?
This seems like a very crooked account. I would guess the credibility attacks have more to do with that than simply slut shaming.
For the record, I think it should be a crime for sure. I don't know the statutes, but surely that power imbalance constitutes some sort of sexual assault assuming the basic facts like them acting in active capacity and her having been detained are correct.
However, this is a hit piece on the defense of the accused, not the actions of the accused. And it doesn't seem to be a detailed or accurate depiction of the defense they are making. If indeed she is bragging about a payday, that is relevant IMO.
This seems like a very crooked account. I would guess the credibility attacks have more to do with that than simply slut shaming.
For the record, I think it should be a crime for sure. I don't know the statutes, but surely that power imbalance constitutes some sort of sexual assault assuming the basic facts like them acting in active capacity and her having been detained are correct.
However, this is a hit piece on the defense of the accused, not the actions of the accused. And it doesn't seem to be a detailed or accurate depiction of the defense they are making. If indeed she is bragging about a payday, that is relevant IMO.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 11:49 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:45 am to ngadawg250
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What makes you think this will not be laughed at even when used by LEO?
well, another jurisdiction, but cases dismissed against 3 cops accused of sex with a minor
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It signals an end to the most serious Alameda County prosecutions of a group of law enforcement officers accused of sexually exploiting the teenage daughter of an Oakland police dispatcher. The case spanned six Bay Area jurisdictions, spawned a major upheaval in leadership of the Oakland Police Department and led to the filing of half a dozen lawsuits, most of which are still pending.
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Prosecutor Sabrina Farrell said in court that the charges against LoVerde — felony oral copulation with a minor — had facts similar to the case against former Contra Costa sheriff’s Deputy Ricardo Perez, which Rolefson dismissed Wednesday. The judge ruled prosecutors failed to prove Perez should have known the teen who went by the name Celeste Guap was underage.
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His defense attorneys cast LoVerde as the victim of a case driven by a salacious scandal.
“When you google his name, all this information comes up,” attorney Jyoti Rekhi said. “The allegations were unfounded and that should have been properly processed before a case was filed, and a case shouldn’t have been filed.”
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“She was working the streets,” he said. “It was her choice. We understand that at one time she was underage when she started, but her mother was a dispatcher for the Oakland Police Department. You mean to tell me the mother didn’t know what was going on in this situation?”
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
The ole Hillary Clinton tactic -> "impugn the victims character and veracity until she is destroyed beyond all recognition."
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:01 pm to buckeye_vol
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If there was a sexual encounter, given the potentially coercive power structure of the relationship with LEOs and citizens in the situation, wouldn't it be some sort of sexual assault regardless even of it was "consensual
Morally, no idea on legally, it would depend on which party offered / requested. While Leo/alleged is definitely a power imbalance, there's another power imbalance stronger than all.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:05 pm to Statestreet
These POS cops need to tried, convicted and sent to General Population where they can get their shite pushed in on the regular. Asshats like these give good cops bad reputations and BLM ammunition.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
She's lucky they didn't invoke the "I feared for my safety" defense after sex and shoot her 2 dozen times.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'll decide how slutty she looks after I see the pics. If she had Prozac and klonopin she's probably a ho fo sho
And I thought you backed the blue? What's up with this cop hate thread?
And I thought you backed the blue? What's up with this cop hate thread?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:15 pm to FearlessFreep
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I am unable to find any articles with pictures of the alleged perpetrators.
Not saying it is THE guy, but this picture is labeled as Richard Hall (and the search was for NYPD detective Richard Hall):
Martins doesn't come up on any standard image search that I could find with a tag.
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