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re: New group enters fray on future of EBR school system. Seeks new legislation.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:52 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:52 pm to Antonio Moss
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1) Ineffective teacher promotion/tenure process
Good school systems like Central do things differently? If so, explain.
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 12:58 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:So, "separate but equal," right?
I'm in favor of dismantling the EBR School Board and moving to smaller, independent school districts.
Where have I heard those words before......you know, right before it was declared unconstitutional???
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:13 pm to LSURussian
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So, "separate but equal," right?
Where have I heard those words before......you know, right before it was declared unconstitutional???
Why bother with the petition, election, legislative and legal battles when we know the real answer is "together and generally poor but making steady progress towards mediocre".
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:38 pm to LSURussian
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So, "separate but equal," right?
There goes your credibility. Independent school districts (which are prominent and successful in other states) are not segregated school districts.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 1:43 pm to Asgard Device
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Good school systems like Central do things differently? If so, explain.
State tenure laws are a problem generally. EBR just operates on a die-hard seniority system that rewards longevity instead of merit.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:03 pm to Antonio Moss
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State tenure laws are a problem generally. EBR just operates on a die-hard seniority system that rewards longevity instead of merit.
This is true, and there are bad teachers in the system that they will not terminate.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 2:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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State tenure laws are a problem generally. EBR just operates on a die-hard seniority system that rewards longevity instead of merit.
Do good public school systems not also have the same tenure laws and policy?
How often are teachers fired from good schools?
Maybe the blame is on the students and their parents.
Blaming the government on poor performance of a majority poor and black school district is like blaming a nearby tree for the fact that your cows can't climb. The squirrels and cats sure have no problem climbing that other tree so it must be the tree!
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 3/11/14 at 3:02 pm to doubleb
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and there are bad teachers in the system that they will not terminate.
As a VIPS I've seen many poor teachers fired.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 3:12 pm to LSURussian
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As a VIPS I've seen many poor teachers fired.
And I've heard some are protected and not let go.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 3:15 pm to Asgard Device
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Do good public school systems not also have the same tenure laws and policy? How often are teachers fired from good schools? Maybe the blame is on the students and their parents. Blaming the government on poor performance of a majority poor and black school district is like blaming a nearby tree for the fact that your cows can't climb. The squirrels and cats sure have no problem climbing that other tree so it must be the tree
OK, keep on believing that every teacher is a good teacher if you want to believe that; however, most people even a principal will tell you that isn't the case.
And FWIW, a good school can have a bad teacher and a bad school good teachers.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 3:18 pm to doubleb
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And I've heard some are protected and not let go.
Name them.
Do it for the children.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 3:24 pm to Asgard Device
Jane Doe, John Smith, and Barrack Obama
FWIW, since 2000 only 52 teachers with tenure have been removed in a ten year period. LINK
Since Jindal has pushed to make teachers more responsible and makes them pass a review here are the numbers:
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Name them.
FWIW, since 2000 only 52 teachers with tenure have been removed in a ten year period. LINK
Since Jindal has pushed to make teachers more responsible and makes them pass a review here are the numbers:
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In the first snapshot on how teachers fared under the new job reviews, only 4 percent of about 43,000 teachers evaluated were rated last September as ineffective, which can pave the way for dismissal.
Another 32 percent were listed as highly effective, the top level; 57 percent were effective/proficient, which is above average; and 8 percent were effective/emerging, which suggests problems.
This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:08 pm to doubleb
quote:Oh, in that case, that settles it....
And I've heard some are protected and not let go.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:23 pm to LSURussian
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Oh, in that case, that settles it....
Exactly, in a ten year period since 2000 I documented the fact that only 52 teachers with tenure were able to be removed.
Now perhaps more are being removed now, but if 4 percent of the teachers were substandard the last time they tested I would bet you do know some of the ones that were let go.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:31 pm to doubleb
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FWIW, since 2000 only 52 teachers with tenure have been removed in a ten year period.
Compared to how many teachers we're let go in Private schools? What about Central and Zachary?
You're confusing causation with correlation.
What is an acceptable number of fired teachers, btw? 52 is actually higher than I thought it would be.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:32 pm to doubleb
quote:And that figure ignores the number of fired teachers who did not have tenure.....which would be a much higher number.
in a ten year period since 2000 I documented the fact that only 52 teachers with tenure were able to be removed.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:34 pm to Asgard Device
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What is an acceptable number of fired teachers, btw? 52 is actually higher than I thought it would be
The article I linked said that 52 teachers were fired in a ten year period since 2000 STATEWIDE.
If you think that's a lot fine, that's your opinion; however, the article said that of the 43,000 teachers recently tested statewide 4% were substandard or over 1700 teachers.
And the article is about the state, and the last time I looked both Central and Zachary were still in Louisiana, but maybe I'm confused, right?
Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:37 pm to LSURussian
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And that figure ignores the number of fired teachers who did not have tenure.....which would be a much higher number.
True, but since we are discussing tenured teachers what difference does it make?
Do you think 52 fired teachers with tenure in ten years (5+ per year) is a lot??? I do not.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:38 pm to doubleb
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And the article is about the state, and the last time I looked both Central and Zachary were still in Louisiana, but maybe I'm confused, right?
So you agree that this has little to do with what makes good districts good and bad districts bad.
Teacher tenure rules and firing practices are the same in both districts.
Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:38 pm to LSURussian
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And I've heard some are protected and not let go.
Oh, in that case, that settles it....
So, you've eliminated retention of poor teachers as the problem. What other factors are left to be considered? To accelerate the progress of this thread, I'd ask that you not wait to debunk the uninformed, misguided theories that might be suggested. Please just share your VIPS and other insight to tell us everything else that is not the problem.
Once those faulty concepts are off the table, it should be much easier to identify the actual impediments to educational excellence in EBR and get to work fixing them.
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