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Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:41 pm to eelsuee
The fact that his gayness even crosses your mind speaks poorly of you.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:49 pm to eelsuee
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eelsuee
So you want to know if, as an HR professional (allegedly), you can fire this person for being gay without fear of legal recourse BEFORE he even starts?
1) If you don't already know the answer to this, you are NOT an HR professional. If you do work in HR, you should probably be concerned about your job security because you could cost your company dearly.
2) It doesn't (or shouldn't) matter if he's gay from your perspective unless you're scared he'll hit on you, or take your job. No client is going to care unless he's inappropriate.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:50 pm to eelsuee
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My companies first gay employee
Posted on 7/31/14 at 11:11 pm to AUin02
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who gives a shite
Four pages... deal with it
Posted on 7/31/14 at 11:12 pm to eelsuee
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My companies
Worry more about your use of possessives and less about where your fellow employees dunk their weenies.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 11:15 pm to eelsuee
Haven't read the thread, but what are you going to do if this guy shows up and doesn't feel like announcing to everyone that he's gay? Not everyone is aware that society has become a hive of e-stalking Orwellian weirdos.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 11:20 pm to eelsuee
Relax. I was the only heterosexual, white male on my unit at the hospital for 4 years. They finally hired a token married white guy. Lol
My job is pretty damn fun and we are an irreverent bunch. No big deal. He might help you to dress better too.
My job is pretty damn fun and we are an irreverent bunch. No big deal. He might help you to dress better too.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 11:22 pm to ballscaster
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Posted by ballscaster The fact that his gayness even crosses your mind speaks poorly of you.
Why? It's new to him. Why give him a hard time when he's trying to deal with a new experience.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 11:57 pm to Paluka
quote:Person A being gay isn't an experience for Person B, especially at the workplace.
Why? It's new to him. Why give him a hard time when he's trying to deal with a new experience.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:08 am to eelsuee
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My company is hiring its first gay employee, but he doesn't start for a few more weeks. At this point we know, but he doesn't know that we know.
This bring up two concerns:
1. If we ever want to fire him, is there a good way to legally protect the company so that he can't say he was fired because he is gay?
2. We have no control how clients feel about working with gay employees.
This is a Louisiana company if that matters.
I feel sorry for this guy if you are any indication of what he is going to have to deal with. I wish I knew the guy to tell him what he is up against.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:27 am to Navytiger74
Sometimes I forget its 2014
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:32 am to eelsuee
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At this point we know, but he doesn't know that we know.
this is fricking weird imo
who tf cares if he's gay? people like you are so fricking strange
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:48 am to eelsuee
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quote:
who gives a shite
Four pages... deal with it
Sometimes this board runs on for way too many pages over some really dumb stuff.
But those threads are usually begun by Rex...
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:45 am to AUin02
Several things:
First, instead of mocking the OP this should be used as a teachable moment.
OP,
1. This is not your first gay employee. It's your first gay employee that you know about.
2. Why did you hire this guy? Focus on his strengths, they are still there.
3. Having a gay employee should not hurt your business. Well, I can imagine scenarios it might, but I think that would be pretty rare.
Now more to your specific question.
1. Yes, LA is an at will state, so you can fire him for just about any reason (as long it is not because he is in a protected class).
2. BUT, don't just fire him (or anyone) willy-nilly. Your exposure is that he might make a claim that he is a protected class or (and this is the more serious issue) he might claim sexual harassment. Make sure you have a reason to fire someone, and there is a document trail. That's both risk management and good business practice.
Sexual harassment is some serious bad legal voodoo. Your attorney or HR professional can help train your whole office. Basically don't talk about sexual stuff. Not even as a joke. It sucks but that is the way it is.
And let me point out, you are far more likely to be sued by a women for sexual harassment than a gay man. But still, don't be stupid.
Don't make gay jokes. Don't ask about his personal life. No, "so what is it like to be gay?" questions. 99% chance it won't be a problem, but why risk it?
Note again, this does not specficially apply to gay men. Ask a female coworker "how has it been lately, been on any good dates?" could come back to bite you.
It's more complicated than that, but basically stick to business and talk about sports.
First, instead of mocking the OP this should be used as a teachable moment.
OP,
1. This is not your first gay employee. It's your first gay employee that you know about.
2. Why did you hire this guy? Focus on his strengths, they are still there.
3. Having a gay employee should not hurt your business. Well, I can imagine scenarios it might, but I think that would be pretty rare.
Now more to your specific question.
1. Yes, LA is an at will state, so you can fire him for just about any reason (as long it is not because he is in a protected class).
2. BUT, don't just fire him (or anyone) willy-nilly. Your exposure is that he might make a claim that he is a protected class or (and this is the more serious issue) he might claim sexual harassment. Make sure you have a reason to fire someone, and there is a document trail. That's both risk management and good business practice.
Sexual harassment is some serious bad legal voodoo. Your attorney or HR professional can help train your whole office. Basically don't talk about sexual stuff. Not even as a joke. It sucks but that is the way it is.
And let me point out, you are far more likely to be sued by a women for sexual harassment than a gay man. But still, don't be stupid.
Don't make gay jokes. Don't ask about his personal life. No, "so what is it like to be gay?" questions. 99% chance it won't be a problem, but why risk it?
Note again, this does not specficially apply to gay men. Ask a female coworker "how has it been lately, been on any good dates?" could come back to bite you.
It's more complicated than that, but basically stick to business and talk about sports.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:53 am to BigJim
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talk about sports.
Better brush up on your ice dancing knowledge.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 2:00 am to eelsuee
I'm about 99% sure that there are or have been other gay employees that you don't know about.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 6:15 am to eelsuee
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This is a Louisiana company if that matters.
You can fire an employee in Louisiana for being gay.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 6:34 am to ballscaster
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Person A being gay isn't an experience for Person B, especially at the workplace.
I work with plenty of Gay people so it doesn't bother me. However if Person B is unaccustomed to interacting with someone who happens to be gay then there is a time of getting used to something or someone new. Should it matter? Nope. Is it a new experience for him? Yes. Hence, it is an experience.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 6:38 am to eelsuee
Should not matter. Does not matter (as BHP said)
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