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re: New Army Special Forces Commercial
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:15 pm to Champagne
Posted on 5/11/22 at 1:15 pm to Champagne
quote:The stories I could tell
I was a student with them in those 37 classes and, they seemed like OK people to me - interesting, as any other Officer or Soldier might be, and, no more unusual than any others we have served with in our time.
They are unique in their approach to life. Keep in mind, I worked (at the same time) with the SF, CA and PO communities simultaneously so I got to see them all in a lot of different ways.
On a positive note, loved being with 4th POG on jumps. Did many a JM duty for them.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 6:05 pm to Wolfhound45
I am a 37A, but, I don't think that my handful of years in that arena would be worth much compared to an Officer who spent a decade or so in that field, if we are going to try to figure out this particular PsyOp media product. That's why it would be nice if we had somebody in the thread with many years in service as a 37A. Doesn't seem like we are going to have that.
One thing that comes to my mind on this point: if this is a 4th POG product, then it wasn't created by some high-level CIA spooks. On the contrary, it was created at Ft. Bragg by the young officers and NCOs in the 4th POG. We are talking about company grade Officers and NCOs, not CIA. With that in mind, that's why I would argue that we should be careful about reading high-level secret messages and meanings into the product.
PsyOp is changing its focus from the Middle East to the Russians. PsyOp is trying to "psych-out" the Russians now, not the Islamic Terrorists. Maybe this particular product is trying to impress the Russians AND generate some recruiting interest at the same time.
A 4th POG product would not be generated by the CIA or people in the CIA.
One thing that comes to my mind on this point: if this is a 4th POG product, then it wasn't created by some high-level CIA spooks. On the contrary, it was created at Ft. Bragg by the young officers and NCOs in the 4th POG. We are talking about company grade Officers and NCOs, not CIA. With that in mind, that's why I would argue that we should be careful about reading high-level secret messages and meanings into the product.
PsyOp is changing its focus from the Middle East to the Russians. PsyOp is trying to "psych-out" the Russians now, not the Islamic Terrorists. Maybe this particular product is trying to impress the Russians AND generate some recruiting interest at the same time.
A 4th POG product would not be generated by the CIA or people in the CIA.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 6:06 pm to Champagne
quote:I should have known
I am a 37A...
What was your basic branch before you went PO?
Posted on 5/11/22 at 6:42 pm to Wolfhound45
I'm not comfortable talking much about me and what I've done. It's all in the past anyway. I'm just in the thread to talk about that particular product, who made it and what it might mean.
I brought up my own past experience in this thread only because it was directly related to this product.
If I can find out anything more about this product, I'll revisit this thread. I have a contact, and, I'll see what they say.
Maybe back in Vietnam, PsyOp did some scary spooky stuff like staring at goats until the goat's heart stopped, but, from the 1990s onward, IMHO, PsyOp hasn't been like that.
If I stared at a goat until somebody's heart stopped, it would probably be my heart to stop first.
One big PsyOp project that I remember from my time was the publication of some comic books in the local language. We had an agreement with DC Comics to allow us to use the DC Comics artists and super hero figures to make comic books teaching the locals about our De-Mining efforts and about the dangers of local mine fields that were still out there. If anybody could find a copy of one of those comic books, you'd have a nice collector's item. I should have thought to take some home with me but I didn't because that would be -- STEALING.
You'd think somebody would have GIVEN me one.
I brought up my own past experience in this thread only because it was directly related to this product.
If I can find out anything more about this product, I'll revisit this thread. I have a contact, and, I'll see what they say.
Maybe back in Vietnam, PsyOp did some scary spooky stuff like staring at goats until the goat's heart stopped, but, from the 1990s onward, IMHO, PsyOp hasn't been like that.
If I stared at a goat until somebody's heart stopped, it would probably be my heart to stop first.
One big PsyOp project that I remember from my time was the publication of some comic books in the local language. We had an agreement with DC Comics to allow us to use the DC Comics artists and super hero figures to make comic books teaching the locals about our De-Mining efforts and about the dangers of local mine fields that were still out there. If anybody could find a copy of one of those comic books, you'd have a nice collector's item. I should have thought to take some home with me but I didn't because that would be -- STEALING.
You'd think somebody would have GIVEN me one.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 6:56 pm to Champagne
No worries baw. I would anticipate you were combat arms but whatever. Love my POGsters. You are the intellectuals of SOF. From my experience as an outsider (and I loved that role), y’all were the most interesting. I only tried (and failed) at one major initiative when I as working with your guys. Wanted to change the MTO&E and get a psychiatrist (60W) assigned to the group HQ. Did not happen.
ETA: Just to irritate you, MISO
ETA2: I did think we should have gone with a one star PO command, combining 4th, 2nd and 7th under a BG. Obviously that did not happen. USACAPOC(A) (which you did not have to work with) was such a strange combination of personalities because of the two branches being placed under one command. My MG boss called us US Drama Command
ETA: Just to irritate you, MISO
ETA2: I did think we should have gone with a one star PO command, combining 4th, 2nd and 7th under a BG. Obviously that did not happen. USACAPOC(A) (which you did not have to work with) was such a strange combination of personalities because of the two branches being placed under one command. My MG boss called us US Drama Command
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 6:58 pm to Wolfhound45
If you could have talked Marvel Comics into loaning us their artists and super heroes, the command would have done whatever you wanted them to do!
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 7:35 pm to YankeeBama
Conflict any way you cut it; always has been as it's our nature. And the "The Word Conquers" is truth, and those of us who are religious suspect that the Word reveals the Players (Good v Evil) but does not reveal which is which. That riddle is for God's Children to discover. Nonetheless, the outcome is assured. Evil is conquered, and those who KNOWINGLY choose Evil as well.
Impressive vid. It'll pump up the players. The rest are either blinded and fodder for the fire, or The Lords Own and inheritors of the Millennial Kingdom. Ultimately, Jesus will run the show, not the 'warrior class'. Though I humbly thank the good folk in the warrior class.
Who knows, there may Parallel Universes wherein all souls progress to the dictates and reality of their educated and free-willed choice. To each their own.
Impressive vid. It'll pump up the players. The rest are either blinded and fodder for the fire, or The Lords Own and inheritors of the Millennial Kingdom. Ultimately, Jesus will run the show, not the 'warrior class'. Though I humbly thank the good folk in the warrior class.
Who knows, there may Parallel Universes wherein all souls progress to the dictates and reality of their educated and free-willed choice. To each their own.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 9:35 pm to Champagne
Thing is, how often do these sorts of units produce videos promoting themselves? I've never seen it before. This is why I suspect this video has nothing to do with intimidation or recruiting. You think the Russians aren't familiar with our different Spec Ops units? They know what they're potentially going up against. Their intelligence apparatus is pretty savvy. They don't need to see videos about our psyops units. They have their own and they know well and good what sort of work is done in that field. Imo anyways.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 8:13 am to BoarEd
There are multi-media production facilities at Ft Bragg, so, the company grade Officers and NCOs in 4th POG could have made this product without input or interference from higher ups. If we've never seen anything like this before, then, who knows? - sometimes impressive things are generated by talented young Soldiers - all on their own.
But there's no doubt that the focus now is on Russia and not on Middle Eastern Muslim tribe-terrorists, so, I guess we should expect to see new things.
Anyway, 4th POG would never create a PsyOp product intended for domestic USA consumption. It's equivalent to an Army "line" brigade, so, it's not a high-level unit.
But there's no doubt that the focus now is on Russia and not on Middle Eastern Muslim tribe-terrorists, so, I guess we should expect to see new things.
Anyway, 4th POG would never create a PsyOp product intended for domestic USA consumption. It's equivalent to an Army "line" brigade, so, it's not a high-level unit.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 8:18 am to Champagne
quote:
Anyway, 4th POG would never create a PsyOp product intended for domestic USA consumption
They have clips of riots on American soil in there.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:36 am to BoarEd
quote:
They have clips of riots on American soil in there.
Also, if it's "marketed" as a recruiting video, then, obviously it's for domestic consumption. The unit would probably tell us that this is not a PsyOp product but just a recruiting video.
So, who knows for sure? Definitely not me.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:27 pm to Wolfhound45
That video was interesting. These guys must be unaware of Q. They didn't comment on any of the similarities. They say people need to stop quoting Sun Tzu, but what they don't realize is that is a direct quote of Q. They also seemed puzzled as to why they included clips of the George Floyd riots.
Really they just spent about 14 minutes explaining why it isn't a recruiting video because they point out that most the shite in that video is stuff psyops guys don't get involved in at all. They also pointed out that the video itself is a successful psyop.
Really they just spent about 14 minutes explaining why it isn't a recruiting video because they point out that most the shite in that video is stuff psyops guys don't get involved in at all. They also pointed out that the video itself is a successful psyop.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:28 pm to BoarEd
quote:
They say people need to stop quoting Sun Tzu, but what they don't realize is that is a direct quote of Q.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:28 pm to boosiebadazz
Why you laughing? It is. They quoted Q multiple times in that video.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:31 pm to BoarEd
One of these guys needs to step out of the shadows for a second and comment on the video. I know they've seen this damn thread.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:40 pm to BoarEd
Is there any difference between sun Tzu and Q at this point?
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:53 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Is there any difference between sun Tzu and Q at this point?
Stay tuned and find out.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:12 pm to BoarEd
quote:They are two former SF guys that have some funny content. They know the operator side of the business but but do not have an in depth understanding of politics. They are fun to watch and get a laugh from.
That video was interesting.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:37 pm to YankeeBama
That’s what they are using against us
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