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Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:52 am to SpqrTiger
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he wouldn't have freed his slaves without a plan ensuring that he didn't have to live among them as equals.
Yeah...no. You're just making that up.
Your quote has no context that supports your conclusion.
"Self preservation" could mean the preservation of the Republic..not his personal profit.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:55 am to SpqrTiger
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So his solution was to do nothing
That's objectively false. Jefferson was instrumental in starting the process of deconstructing slavery in the US. Read up on the Act Prohibiting the Importation of Slaves 1807.
His first draft of the Declaration of Independence repudiated and denounced the British slave trade.
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You can't remove that from his story.
I also don't hold people from the 18th century to 21st century standards.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:05 am to SpqrTiger
I think you should read up some more on Jefferson and slavery. He was pretty progressive on the issue for a Virginian of his time and social stature.
It's also more likely that he didn't personally free his own because of his terrible financial situation and debts than some he didn't want to live amongst them conspiracy you are proposing. When he died some slaves that he cared for the most were freed and the others were sold to pay off his massive debts.
It's also more likely that he didn't personally free his own because of his terrible financial situation and debts than some he didn't want to live amongst them conspiracy you are proposing. When he died some slaves that he cared for the most were freed and the others were sold to pay off his massive debts.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:07 am to blueboy
Is Lincoln the only president before 1900 we're allowed to be proud of these days? It's pretty much Lincoln, Teddy, FDR, Kennedy, Clinton, Obama and the rest are a bunch of scoundrels.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:10 am to goatmilker
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Do you have to go to college to get this smart
I thought they all had air conditioning and cable. Who knew!
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:11 am to Dale51
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I thought the "T.Jefferson/Sally Hemings had a thing" was debunked years ago via DNA?
Yep, it was NEVER proven.
From what I have read, it all started based on some guy who had a little news paper. Supposedly, this guy was owed money by the government and Jefferson refused to pay him.
So this guy starts publishing lies/rumor about Jefferson/Hemmings having an 'affair'.
Naturally, Jefferson's political enemies take this and run with it trying to score political points.
They finally concluded that TJ in no WAY fathered any children with Hemmings. The DNA tests suggested that it could have been someone related to TJ, I believe it was one TJs nephews.
BTW, all this TJ/Hemmings bunk was revived around 1998 when none other than Billy Clinton was busted for having it out with Monica Lewinsky.
It was just cover by the lame-stream media to give political cover to their little golden boy.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:16 am to blueboy
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Most black people with presidential surnames are descended from freed slaves who chose those names over their former slave owner.
Yep. It was a way to declare themselves as Americans.
As far as muh slavery, England was a slave nation and was responsible for introducing the particularly barbaric form of slavery that was practiced in the US.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 10:17 am
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:19 am to SpqrTiger
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fought to defend slavery
The bigger fight was to defend their right to self-determination on the issue.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:21 am to Reubaltaich
What we do know about Hemings is that she was mixed race (75% European, 25% African) and most likely a distant cousin to Jefferson's first wife. Hemings was married to a white artist related to Jefferson's wife and, when widowed, she ended up at Jefferson's estate.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:26 am to DallasTiger11
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It's also more likely that he didn't personally free his own because of his terrible financial situation and debts than some he didn't want to live amongst them conspiracy you are proposing
Thats exactly right. Virginia law prohibited anyone in debt to sell or give away any "assets".
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:27 am to Antonio Moss
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So his solution was to do nothing
That's objectively false. Jefferson was instrumental in starting the process of deconstructing slavery in the US. Read up on the Act Prohibiting the Importation of Slaves 1807.
His first draft of the Declaration of Independence repudiated and denounced the British slave trade.
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You can't remove that from his story.
I also don't hold people from the 18th century to 21st century standards.
amusing when so many good ol boys want to defend the nobility of the slaveowner's "decision" to keep his slaves ...
21st century standards on slavery certainly existed in the 18th century ... there were plenty of people who viewed slavery for what it was, then or now ... free labor and free sex ... that's all slavery ever was ...
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:38 am to tiderider
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21st century standards on slavery certainly existed in the 18th century ... there were plenty of people who viewed slavery for what it was, then or now ... free labor and free sex ... that's all slavery ever was ...
You're confused.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:49 am to blueboy
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:16 am to SpqrTiger
Not just a slaver, but rapist as well. He deserves no honor in my book
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:21 am to blueboy
I mean this sincerely--not as some kind of message board insult ....
It must be dang depressing to be a lefty.
They're forever looking for ways to be bitter, victimized souls.
One day they're going to wake up and realize life passes in an instant, and they've spent the majority of theirs cloaked in anger and accusations.
It must be dang depressing to be a lefty.
They're forever looking for ways to be bitter, victimized souls.
One day they're going to wake up and realize life passes in an instant, and they've spent the majority of theirs cloaked in anger and accusations.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:22 am to StrongSafety
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Strong Safety
The clown has arrived
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:24 am to Dale51
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Yeah...no. You're just making that up. Your quote has no context that supports your conclusion.
Well, don't take my word for it... how about the Thomas Jefferson's words in 1782? From his Notes on the State of Virginia:
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"It will probably be asked, Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expense of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race."
Jefferson clearly viewed emancipation of slaves as unsafe. He advocated for freeing them and shipping them out. In other words, he did not believe he and other whites could live with them, as equals, in peace. Though there were other reasons why he clung to his slaves, this was also a reason.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:27 am to StrongSafety
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Not just a slaver, but rapist as well.
There is no credible evidence that Jefferson ever raped anyone.
Stay off of angry black extremist blogs. They warp your mind.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:29 am to SpqrTiger
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Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions which will probably never end
Are you quoting this to attack Jefferson? Because it looks pretty damn prophetic.
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