NBC Debbie Downing 4th of July: "JEFFERSON!! SLAVES!!!"

Most black people with presidential surnames are descended from freed slaves who chose those names over their former slave owner.

And the Hemmings jungle fever multi-kid thing is not a proven scientific fact anyway. If it was, you'd think that family would have come out with it a lot sooner than they did.

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Seriously, I know of no white man with the last name of Jefferson or Washington.

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seriously Clark?

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seriously Clark?

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You do? Please give me some examples.

Folks that lived in the same town I was living in for part of my life.

As Southerners who are repeatedly reminded of our great-great-grandparents' sins during the four years we fought to defend slavery, we should be grateful for reminders like this that the Founders themselves were slavers, too.

Far too often, it is assumed that the "South" and the "Confederacy" were responsible for slavery. This is not true. Slavery in America existed for 90 years prior to the Confederacy, and many Founders - Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Hancock, and others - built their fortunes on the backs of slave labor.

I agree that it's inappropriate to remind the world of our sins on the Fourth of July. We should be celebrating the greatness of our nation today. We deserve that opportunity. But Southerners would do well to remind people that we should not assume exclusive blame for slavery in the United States. That system was too far-reaching and long-lasting to be put at the feet of a handful of states. Jefferson, the great egalitarian, went to his death owning other human beings. He couldn't even free them as life escaped him. And every single day, those who would blame you, Southerners, for all the evils of slavery, visit Jefferson's temple-like memorial to pay homage at his feet.

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This is not true. Slavery in America existed for 90 years prior to the Confederacy, and many Founders - Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Hancock, and others - built their fortunes on the backs of slave labor.

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Yeah no. Before Brexit 1776, we were British colonies. The system of slavery already existed and was part of the Washington, Jefferson, etc, family inheritance.
Long established systems cannot be eliminated in a few years. If your implication is that Washington, Jefferson,etc, "just loved dem some slaves", you're full of crap. Just my opinion..others may feel differently.

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Yeah that is straight out of the stated communist goals entered into congressional record in 1963.

[quote]30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers.[/

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quote]I've been posting that list here for 11 years. I'm glad it's finally gaining traction.

In 2006, when I was making my anti-Marxist arguments, I was told by people here that "Marxism is done. It's over." I'm glad people are coming around, but I wish they'd gotten a clue a bit earlier, like, before America elected a guy who was born to communists, raised by communists, mentored by communists, politically propped up by communists, hired communists to staff his administration and on several occasions in his earlier days, referred to himself as a communist.

Let's not do that again.

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yeah no. Before Brexit 1776, we were British colonies. The system of slavery already existed and was part of the Washington, Jefferson, etc, family inheritance. Long established systems cannot be eliminated in a few years. If your implication is that Washington, Jefferson,etc, "just loved dem some slaves", you're full of crap. Just my opinion..others may feel differently.

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Even if they inherited their slaves, never forget that they could have freed their slaves at any moment. They just didn't want to. That's why I stressed that Jefferson DIED a slave owner. Jefferson didn't even like the concept of slavery. But he refused to release his slaves on principle. Jefferson felt that slavery should not be abolished without a plan to repatriate them to Africa. In other words, he wouldn't have freed his slaves without a plan ensuring that he didn't have to live among them as equals. He stuck to his guns so hard on this concept that he went to the end of his days, still holding slaves, even though he knew it was wrong.

Remember Jefferson's famous quote regarding slavery.

"As it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is on one scale, and self-preservation in the other"?

So his solution was to do nothing, and continue to profit from slavery. It doesn't matter where his slaves came from. What matters is that he just could not free them. Not even from his own household. The man was a slaver. You can't remove that from his story.