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re: NAACP Invites Rand Paul To Speak
Posted on 2/22/14 at 8:00 pm to CherryGarciaMan
Posted on 2/22/14 at 8:00 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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And that's where Papa Paul's supporters come in, because like it or not, he will be the closest thing to his father on the national stage.
he has my vote and $$$
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His dad's supporters + middle of the road Republicans + new, moving base of conservatives = Primary Win.
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And, his Dad's supporters learned a thing or two from the last two primaries.
I hope so but libertarians have shown that can be even dumber than the GOP. I didn't even know that was possible.
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Posted on 2/22/14 at 8:06 pm to RollTide4Ever
We must live in different universes. I don't see 30% being even remotely possible. When was the last presidential election that a republican got over 25% of the black vote?
Posted on 2/22/14 at 9:13 pm to Easy
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We must live in different universes. I don't see 30% being even remotely possible. When was the last presidential election that a republican got over 25% of the black vote?
1960. When was the last time Republicans got 30% of the Jewish vote?
Posted on 2/22/14 at 9:42 pm to trackfan
quote:I don't think Paul will even discuss Obamacare, but I do think it's funny how now you can't call it Obamacare especially after after Obama took ownership of it during the debate.
As I earlier, it's not always what you say, but how you say it
Posted on 2/22/14 at 9:53 pm to Socratics
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Obamacare is a derogatory term for the Affordable Care Act. Polls Confirm this.
The sad thing is people think they are doing this to make Obama look bad when in fact, it probably does the opposite. It gives the illusion he accomplished something.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 9:55 pm to La Place Mike
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I don't think Paul will even discuss Obamacare, but I do think it's funny how now you can't call it Obamacare especially after after Obama took ownership of it during the debate.
You can call it whatever you want, that's not the point. There's a such thing as being tone-deaf, and a person would have to be tone-deaf in order to think that Romney would win people over by going to the NAACP convention and announce that his goal was to repeal Obamacare.
EDIT: Do you think it would be good politics for Paul to go to an AIPAC convention and announce that he wants to cut off aid to Israel?
This post was edited on 2/22/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 2/22/14 at 10:02 pm to La Place Mike
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I don't think Paul will even discuss Obamacare, but I do think it's funny how now you can't call it Obamacare especially after after Obama took ownership of it during the debate
I think it is always best to useles the least offensive term for something. Obamacare carries a negative tone and the last thing you want to do is have a negative tone at a NAACP meeting. He will gain much more by going in there positive and showing them his plans in a positive light.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 10:05 pm to trackfan
quote:I thought this thread was about Paul and not Romney.
You can call it whatever you want, that's not the point. There's a such thing as being tone-deaf, and a person would have to be tone-deaf in order to think that Romney would win people over by going to the NAACP convention and announce that his goal was to repeal Obamacare.
My question is why could you not call it Obamacare after Obama has taken ownership of it? What's changed?
In real life I deal with PPACA issues everyday. Do you want to know what the black employees call the "ACA"?
Posted on 2/22/14 at 10:07 pm to willthezombie
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I hope so but libertarians have shown that can be even dumber than the GOP. I didn't even know that was possible.
Getting libertarians to form a political bloc is like trying to get atheists to attend church, or to herd cats. It's just not going to work.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 10:11 pm to La Place Mike
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My question is why could you not call it Obamacare after Obama has taken ownership of it? What's changed?
you could but it is always best (unless you are rallying up your base) to not step on any toes, don't give the MSM any bullets to fire at you.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 10:27 pm to La Place Mike
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I thought this thread was about Paul and not Romney.
In light of the thread topic, any sensible person would agree that Romney's speech to the NAACP is relevant for comparison purposes.
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My question is why could you not call it Obamacare after Obama has taken ownership of it? What's changed?
As I said, Paul can call it whatever he wants, but he's the one asking for their votes, they're not asking him for anything. If he was going to say something positive about the A.C.A., then "Obamacare" would be fine, otherwise he should stick to "A.C.A.". Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Posted on 2/22/14 at 10:53 pm to La Place Mike
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I thought this thread was about Paul and not Romney.
My question is why could you not call it Obamacare after Obama has taken ownership of it? What's changed?
In real life I deal with PPACA issues everyday. Do you want to know what the black employees call the "ACA"?
He took ownership of it. That didn't change the name of it.
The NAACP is not the random black employees you work with. The average person doesn't even know what the majority of the ACA does.
In addition, Rand Paul shouldn't talk about the History of the Republican Party and African Americans unless he wants to talk about all of it. It didn't go over to well at Howard when he ignored recent history at Howard.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 11:04 pm to Socratics
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In addition, Rand Paul shouldn't talk about the History of the Republican Party and African Americans unless he wants to talk about all of it. It didn't go over to well at Howard when he ignored recent history at Howard.
That was the low point of his Howard speech. It revealed how much he had to learn about Black folks, but if he had been briefed, he would have known that if a student attends Howard and he/she is politically interested enough to go hear him speak, there's a 99% chance that this student knows everything there is to know about the historical relationship between Blacks and Republicans. I predict he'll learn from his mistake, and do better in the future.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 11:13 pm to trackfan
Reagan dominated Jewish vote until some opened his mouth about them.
Posted on 2/22/14 at 11:54 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Reagan dominated Jewish vote until some opened his mouth about them.
Huh?
Posted on 2/23/14 at 6:38 am to willthezombie
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I think it is always best to use the least offensive term for something.
Pop quiz = Do you know what 'Star Wars' is?
Do you know what SDI is?
Posted on 2/23/14 at 6:41 am to Easy
Here's an idea. Why doesn't he go there and say what he thinks?
I don't understand why that particular liberal arse has to be kissed just because it is black anyway. Is he going to kook white liberal groups?
I don't understand why that particular liberal arse has to be kissed just because it is black anyway. Is he going to kook white liberal groups?
Posted on 2/23/14 at 7:20 am to gthog61
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Here's an idea. Why doesn't he go there and say what he thinks?
It's not about pandering or saying things he doesn't believe, it's about cherry-picking the parts of his platform that will resonate with whatever audience he is speaking to at the time. I once saw Pat Buchanan go on Bill Maher's show and bring the house down. How did he do this with Maher's very liberal audience? He did it by focusing on his foreign policy views which he knew liberals would like and avoiding his domestic policy views which he knew they would hate.
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I don't understand why that particular liberal arse has to be kissed just because it is black anyway. Is he going to kook white liberal groups?
It's not just Black folks, it's any group of people he's talking to. Paul wants to cut off aid to Israel, but do you think it would be good politics to announce that at an AIPAC convention? You don't lead with your chin, and you don't stick your finger in the eye of folks whose votes you're trying to get. Paul is a politician trying to round up votes, he's not trying to rile up the Republican base. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Posted on 2/23/14 at 8:46 am to trackfan
Very true, TG. Paul is one of the better politicos out there; smart guy that pushes the envelope on particular issues that appeal to youth, good instincts, and an amiable disposition.
Formidable candidate...decent Prez, IMO.
Formidable candidate...decent Prez, IMO.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:59 am to trackfan
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It's not about pandering or saying things he doesn't believe, it's about cherry-picking the parts of his platform that will resonate with whatever audience he is speaking to at the time. I once saw Pat Buchanan go on Bill Maher's show and bring the house down. How did he do this with Maher's very liberal audience? He did it by focusing on his foreign policy views which he knew liberals would like and avoiding his domestic policy views which he knew they would hate
Exactly (and I can't believe I'm agreeing with trackfan
). It is not pandering it is selling yourself in the best light possible. 
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