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re: My first "I hate roads" Thread of 2017 (Trigger Warning: Meme Inside)
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well i mean everyone has a number
No they don't. In theory, yes. In practice, people are not rational animals. My description was not theoretical, it happened to the Trump casino/hotel. There was a big to do about it, the lady never sold. He offered her 5 million for her shithole.
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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whomever is taking the financial risk of the investment of building that road
Then you would have no private company get involved in that. The risk would be too great to calculate for that type of hit.
A private company is not going to invest 5 million dollars in the pre planning of a 5 billion dollar road project to get held up by Little Miss Jones and her 5 acres she won't sell.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:36 pm to cokebottleag
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people are not rational animals.
so how do free markets work?
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it happened to the Trump casino/hotel. There was a big to do about it, the lady never sold. He offered her 5 million for her shithole.
obviously $5M was not her number
*ETA: and you're using a BAD example to defend eminent domain
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:37 pm to cokebottleag
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There will always, ALWAYS be someone who refuses to sell.
So? I fail to see your point here. everyone doesn't need to agree to the sale.
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I get that in your precious fantasy,
Fantasy? Fantasy is believing that infrastructure is impossible without the state or theft. Demonstrably false. The fact that you believe in this fantasy is disappointing, and "irrational".
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the whole theorethical town gets together, and votes that yes, we need to build a road from mainstreet to 5th street, we need it badly
No. that's YOUR paradigm. Stop attributing statist logic to me. I didn't say this.
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But Mary Ann Persimmon owns a house in the way, and she won't sell, no amount of money will make her sell, it's her dead aunt's property, and even though the town voted, she won't sell.
Good for her.
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Then you never get the road.
I never get THAT road, in THAT manner. just like I dont get to have YOUR car, unless you agree to sell it to me.
Your statist paradigm is your problem man, not mine. I have no problem visualizing how transportation could occur without the state, or utilities, or law enforcement, or anything else really. It's simple for me. I don't constrain myself to statist paradigms for how these services operate.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:39 pm to cokebottleag
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well i mean everyone has a number
No they don't. In theory, yes. In practice, people are not rational animals. My description was not theoretical, it happened to the Trump casino/hotel. There was a big to do about it, the lady never sold. He offered her 5 million for her shithole.
everyone doesn't need a number, but humans are rational actors. That is the basis of economic activity. you may not have the same rationale, but it doesn't make thr other party "irrational".
In fact, you even told us what Mrs. Persimmons rationale was in your example.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Contractors do the actual construction, but the planning, designing, inspecting, and maintaining is usually done by their own forces. Not to mention the legal arm that deals with immenent domain and lawsuits for injuries or the law enforcement piece that enforces weight limits on the vehicles, issues permits, and what not. It's a lot of stuff to offload.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:45 pm to cokebottleag
I don't agree with cokebottle a lot but he's clearly got his finger on the pulse of both human nature and behavioral economics better than anyone else in the thread so far.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:47 pm to Walking the Earth
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don't agree with cokebottle a lot but he's clearly got his finger on the pulse of both human nature and behavioral economics better than anyone else in the thread so far.
Nah. Neither do you apparently.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:49 pm to MrCarton
i'm still cracking up that the example used in this thread was the government using eminent domain b/c a billionaire wanted to build a casino (obviously a public good) and didn't want to pay market price for the land required to do so
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:49 pm to MrCarton
I must not because I certainly missed the development where people became rational.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:51 pm to therick711
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People act like private prisons are the juries and judges that sentence criminals. If the argument is that there are too many crimes because private prisons lobby, fine. That still isn't a good argument, but it at least makes more sense.
As shittily run as traditional prisons are, the private ones are worse. They veer between brutality and letting inmates run amuck, often in the same institution, depending on who's on duty and who's getting paid under the table. There's a private prison not far from me and it's a cesspool, run by people no better than the ones they're incarcerating.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:55 pm to Walking the Earth
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I must not because I certainly missed the development where people became rational
You confuse rational with logical.
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In making this point, Mises in Human Action (p. 19) writes "Human action is necessarily always rational. The term 'rational action' is therefore pleonastic and must be rejected as such. When applied to the ultimate ends of action, the terms rational and irrational are inappropriate and meaningless. The ultimate end of action is always the satisfaction of some desires of the acting man."
Seemingly irrational action is rational, that is, has an aim. To appraise it as irrational, the appraiser merely imposes some other external source of value. Mises writes (p. 104): "However one twists things, one will never succeed in formulating the notion of 'irrational' action whose 'irrationality' is not founded upon an arbitrary judgment of value."
Defining economic terms-Mises
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:55 pm to MrCarton
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, they would become some of the worlds most intense paintball courses.
I would gas up the ol' gun for this course.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm still cracking up that the example used in this thread was the government using eminent domain b/c a billionaire wanted to build a casino (obviously a public good) and didn't want to pay market price for the land required to do so
Who knew Trump can't build a hotel without the government!
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:57 pm to MrCarton
we have the best political connections, don't we folks?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:58 pm to Aristo
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would gas up the ol' gun for this course.
lol same
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we have the best political connections, don't we folks?
Can't have that government too small!
people need hotels!
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes, I was ignorant of the meme. Thanks for the edification.
look you may just be ignorant ofthis, so i'll explain
the "muh roads" meme is just a really popular meme among the smaller government types
quote:Germany?
fewer governmental regulations
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:03 pm to therick711
quote:In other words, if Americans "knew how to drive", we would then be OK with government overreach?
Because their population knows how to fricking drive which is a separate and distinct issue
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
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In other words, if Americans "knew how to drive", we would then be OK with government overreach?
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