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My experience at the Kyiv University Medical University bathrooms
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:37 pm
I will never forget visiting The Kyiv Medical University in Ukraine with Anichka and her friend this past autumn. One thing stood out to me immediately, as it was the only location where I had seen any Muslims in all of my 8 days in Ukraine. The Muslim students were everywhere, most of the female students were wearing veils or hijabs.
The campus was old but attractive, and I went to get a cappuccino and then to the bathroom while Anichka and her friend met with an admissions advisor. I was literally staggered by the smell the instant I walked into the bathroom. I could see that there was shite all over the stalls and the floor, and used toilet paper was strewn everywhere. It was the most disgusting smell and sight I've encountered in my life. I ran outside and spend the next 10 minutes trying to unsee what I had seen. My gag reflex kept engaging and I was still trying to prevent myself from vomiting some time later - I decided to keep things to myself but I could tell that the girls were worried.
above: there is little diversity in Ukraine, except for the large Muslim population at the city's Medical University
We had traveled and stayed in the most remote villages of Ukraine during the preceding week, and nothing like this had occurred - even when there was no running water and rather primitive outhouses, they were always well maintained and had ammonia nearby that was regularly applied to quash bad smells.
It dawned on me why this had only occurred at the University - it was the Muslim students. I had heard anecdotes about this before - special restrooms and toilets being built in Minneapolis to accommodate the many Somalian Muslim students, "how to" placards placed in public restrooms around Detroit explaining not to sit on the porcelain toilets, but I had no idea that they would literally refuse to try assimilating unless they were accommodated. No wonder these $50,000 bathroom renovations were so quickly approved!
Here is an article about Islamic bathroom customs and traditions. I pray that none of you will ever experience what I had to endure. It was enough to drive an agnostic baw back to Christendom with teh swiftness.
is it "racist" to tell refugees not to poop on the floor?
One less publicized aspect of this clash of cultures is the difference in the way individuals use the bathroom facilities, with many recent Muslim arrivals having no idea how to use standard Western-style toilets.
Many of the Muslim migrants and “refugees” are reportedly “mystified” by Western-style toilets, and have resorted to simply defecating outdoors, on the floors, in showers, standing on top of toilets, or basically anywhere else they feel like it.
That problem has actually become so widespread that some towns have responded by passing out leaflets pleading with the migrants to follow the rules, including in their use of the bathroom facilities.
Critics, however, have labeled such efforts as “racist” and “insensitive” toward Muslim culture.
“Because everyone knows: Different cultures also mean different scale latrines. For Muslims, it is important that when using a toilet, one’s back does not face Mecca. In addition, latrines for men and women have to separate from each other, and the floor cannot be green in colour, because that is the colour of Islam.”
The Muslim "footbath" problem is usually reported in lieu of the pooping issue out of deference to political correctness
The campus was old but attractive, and I went to get a cappuccino and then to the bathroom while Anichka and her friend met with an admissions advisor. I was literally staggered by the smell the instant I walked into the bathroom. I could see that there was shite all over the stalls and the floor, and used toilet paper was strewn everywhere. It was the most disgusting smell and sight I've encountered in my life. I ran outside and spend the next 10 minutes trying to unsee what I had seen. My gag reflex kept engaging and I was still trying to prevent myself from vomiting some time later - I decided to keep things to myself but I could tell that the girls were worried.
above: there is little diversity in Ukraine, except for the large Muslim population at the city's Medical University
We had traveled and stayed in the most remote villages of Ukraine during the preceding week, and nothing like this had occurred - even when there was no running water and rather primitive outhouses, they were always well maintained and had ammonia nearby that was regularly applied to quash bad smells.
It dawned on me why this had only occurred at the University - it was the Muslim students. I had heard anecdotes about this before - special restrooms and toilets being built in Minneapolis to accommodate the many Somalian Muslim students, "how to" placards placed in public restrooms around Detroit explaining not to sit on the porcelain toilets, but I had no idea that they would literally refuse to try assimilating unless they were accommodated. No wonder these $50,000 bathroom renovations were so quickly approved!
Here is an article about Islamic bathroom customs and traditions. I pray that none of you will ever experience what I had to endure. It was enough to drive an agnostic baw back to Christendom with teh swiftness.
is it "racist" to tell refugees not to poop on the floor?
One less publicized aspect of this clash of cultures is the difference in the way individuals use the bathroom facilities, with many recent Muslim arrivals having no idea how to use standard Western-style toilets.
Many of the Muslim migrants and “refugees” are reportedly “mystified” by Western-style toilets, and have resorted to simply defecating outdoors, on the floors, in showers, standing on top of toilets, or basically anywhere else they feel like it.
That problem has actually become so widespread that some towns have responded by passing out leaflets pleading with the migrants to follow the rules, including in their use of the bathroom facilities.
Critics, however, have labeled such efforts as “racist” and “insensitive” toward Muslim culture.
“Because everyone knows: Different cultures also mean different scale latrines. For Muslims, it is important that when using a toilet, one’s back does not face Mecca. In addition, latrines for men and women have to separate from each other, and the floor cannot be green in colour, because that is the colour of Islam.”
The Muslim "footbath" problem is usually reported in lieu of the pooping issue out of deference to political correctness
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:38 pm to SirWinston
Thought provoking as always, mate
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:40 pm to SirWinston
I did not read your post
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:42 pm to SirWinston
It's weird that people who are so unadaptable to modern international civilization (I mean I've traveled and been in countries with different styles of bathrooms. Amazingly, I've always been able to figure out how they do things there, do my business, and move on.) want to settle and live throughout modern international civilization.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:44 pm to SirWinston
Nice write-up!
quote:It's called "hygiene" and helps prevent diseases and contamination. It's also just gross to take a dump on the floor.
Critics, however, have labeled such efforts as “racist” and “insensitive” toward Muslim culture.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:44 pm to SirWinston
That is beyond disgusting.
Not all cultures are equal. Progressives need to get that through their thick skulls.
Not all cultures are equal. Progressives need to get that through their thick skulls.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:45 pm to SirWinston
I'm calling bullshite on the supposed rule keeping Muslims from having their backs to Mecca when they use the bathroom.
You're not telling me that every fricking time with Muslim has an emergency shite all over the world he takes the time 200 stand where he is geographically in relation to Mecca and only and himself accordingly.
You're not telling me that every fricking time with Muslim has an emergency shite all over the world he takes the time 200 stand where he is geographically in relation to Mecca and only and himself accordingly.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:46 pm to SirWinston
Where do you think "they poo in the streets and they wipe it with their hand" came from?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:48 pm to ShortyRob
I've heard that devout Muslims are always aware of what general direction Mecca is in relative to their location and it's second nature to them by the time they're 10 or so. Maybe they'd either ignore it when necessary or they'd use the toilet backward or sideways?
The toilets they typically use in cities native to Islam are just trenches in the floor (porcelain if it's a nicer building) and so they could easily pivot, etc. if needed. More so than on a western toilet.
The toilets they typically use in cities native to Islam are just trenches in the floor (porcelain if it's a nicer building) and so they could easily pivot, etc. if needed. More so than on a western toilet.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:50 pm to ShortyRob
They already know which way to face from praying like zombies 5 times a day
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:53 pm to SirWinston
I was curious so I checked out the always-infallible Wikipedia. They've actually got a section on Muslim toilet etiquette.
quote:Sauce
A Muslim must first find an acceptable place away from standing water, or people's pathways or shade.[2] They are advised that it is better to enter the area with the left foot,[3] facing away from the Qiblah.[4]
While on the toilet, one must remain silent. Talking, answering greetings or greeting others is strongly discouraged.[4] When defecating together, two men cannot converse, nor look at each other's genitals.[5] A man should not touch his genitals with the right hand.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12] Eating any food while on the toilet is strictly forbidden.[4]
The anus must be washed with water after defecating. Similarly, the penis and vulva must be washed with water after urinating. This washing is known as istinja. The Qur'an suggests that one should wash one's hands as well, which is discussed in verse 5:6.
When leaving the toilet, one is advised to leave with the right foot,[3] and also say a prayer – "Praise be to Allah who relieved me of the filth and gave me relief."[4] It is also reported in the hadith of Bukhari that whenever Muhammad went to the toilet, he said "In the name of Allah, O Allah! I seek refuge with You from all offensive and wicked things" (alternate translation: "from evil deeds and evil spirits").[13]
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:55 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
They already know which way to face from praying like zombies 5 times a day
Does it concern you at all that this is closer to orthodox Jewish and Christian practice than what you do?
ETA: OP, you've heard of the Tatars, right? The population of Crimea?
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 4:56 pm to SirWinston
quote:
For Muslims, it is important that when using a toilet, one’s back does not face Mecca.
O for fricks sake.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:03 pm to TN Bhoy
Than what I do? I will agree with you that most Muslims and their devotion put most Christians to shame......
I don't have memorized prayer. I don't have set prayer times. I certainly thank God for as many things as they do and as often.
It's quite the conundrum. Believe it or not I pray for them. But at the end of the day a tree is judged by the fruit it produces. Islam produces rape and conquest.
I don't have memorized prayer. I don't have set prayer times. I certainly thank God for as many things as they do and as often.
It's quite the conundrum. Believe it or not I pray for them. But at the end of the day a tree is judged by the fruit it produces. Islam produces rape and conquest.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:09 pm to SirWinston
So you are equating the students at a medical school in Kiev with refugees? You are seriously saying that people who graduated from high schools (and perhaps universities) with top grades and were able to get in to a medical school in a foreign country are confused by how Western-style toilets work?
You make up so much in your stories yet because you say what the board wants to hear, people take you seriously.
You make up so much in your stories yet because you say what the board wants to hear, people take you seriously.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:09 pm to SirWinston
Muslim Doctor
Yeah right.
Yeah right.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:11 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:It's not about intelligence. It's about culture and experience.
So you are equating the students at a medical school in Kiev with refugees? You are seriously saying that people who graduated from high schools (and perhaps universities) with top grades and were able to get in to a medical school in a foreign country are confused by how Western-style toilets work?
You make up so much in your stories yet because you say what the board wants to hear, people take you seriously.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:15 pm to SirWinston
Honestly I've seen public restrooms here in America like that before. But yeah Islam is Shitty.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:16 pm to SirWinston
Like house breaking a dog
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:21 pm to FooManChoo
See, this is exactly what Sir Winston feeds into. People on this board want to imagine Muslims, no matter how upper class and educated shitting on themselves and wiping it on women and shouting "Aloha Snackbar". And that's really not the case. His stories get more absurd each time.
It's the same reason why Alex Jones and others post videos of people celebrating soccer and cricket wins and falsely claim they are celebrating terrorist attacks, and thousands of people repost those videos on Facebook.
It's as much of a fantasy as people on the left who think Islam is a beautiful progressive religion that is far more tolerant that Presbyterianism or whatever.
It's the same reason why Alex Jones and others post videos of people celebrating soccer and cricket wins and falsely claim they are celebrating terrorist attacks, and thousands of people repost those videos on Facebook.
It's as much of a fantasy as people on the left who think Islam is a beautiful progressive religion that is far more tolerant that Presbyterianism or whatever.
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