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Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:03 am to Jbird
I agree with him. Obama has been a disappointment to many progressives. The ACA will be his biggest achievement, but even that was watered down and weakened to get passage.
If he doesn't find himself in his last 2 years, I say good riddance. Warren will finish what he could not.
If he doesn't find himself in his last 2 years, I say good riddance. Warren will finish what he could not.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:18 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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If he doesn't find himself in his last 2 years, I say good riddance. Warren will finish what he could not.
:rotflmao:
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:19 am to BigJim
quote:to Michael Moore, it's a failure
This. Love it or hate it, it's a pretty big accomplishment.
he wanted a public option
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:49 am to Jbird
I wonder if he'll make a movie to apologize to the morons who trust him for igniting their liberal pissues and backing Obama.
This should be.a sign to tuba, Rex, etc
Why would anyone believe a piece if shite lying fat frick just because he makes films? Guys like him do noe thing, make films that make MONEY! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Certainly not the truth. They "sell" stuff. Just like Gore...he positioned hi.self to get rich off of "green" stuff and global warming fears. Why wouldn't he be on boars with wring information if it makes him a billionaire?
This should be.a sign to tuba, Rex, etc
Why would anyone believe a piece if shite lying fat frick just because he makes films? Guys like him do noe thing, make films that make MONEY! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Certainly not the truth. They "sell" stuff. Just like Gore...he positioned hi.self to get rich off of "green" stuff and global warming fears. Why wouldn't he be on boars with wring information if it makes him a billionaire?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:50 am to Jbird
That's ridiculous by Moore. Obama got healthcare passed which is a HUGE victory for progressives no matter what sour grapes they might currently be nursing.
Obamacare is never going away and it will be able to be tweaked and applied as socialized medicine from now until the end of the Union.
That's heady stuff and for a liberal like Moore to not give Obama credit is really lame from an objective standpoint.
Obamacare is never going away and it will be able to be tweaked and applied as socialized medicine from now until the end of the Union.
That's heady stuff and for a liberal like Moore to not give Obama credit is really lame from an objective standpoint.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:51 am to Wtodd
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Yeah he was in a lot danger sending in the Special Ops guys to take care of OBL.
He risked his entire presidency on it. To not acknowledge the risk he took is unfair.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:51 am to KCT
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His criticism means nothing. He's just upset that Obama wasn't even worse.
Unfortunately, this is the truth..
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:55 am to SirWinston
quote:Moore is not a liberal. Liberalism is an ideology. Moore is just a whiner and a witch-hunter. He cries about things he doesn't like, and condemns people he doesn't like. That's it. No realistic plan for how to fix it, not even a clear picture of what "fixing it" would mean to him. He just cries and cries and cries.
That's heady stuff and for a liberal like Moore
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:59 am to genro
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Moore is not a liberal. Liberalism is an ideology. Moore is just a whiner and a witch-hunter. He cries about things he doesn't like, and condemns people he doesn't like. That's it. No realistic plan for how to fix it, not even a clear picture of what "fixing it" would mean to him. He just cries and cries and cries.
This! Don't forget, he also wants to make MORE money and get fatter!
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:01 am to SirWinston
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He risked his entire presidency on it. To not acknowledge the risk he took is unfair.
Not being a dick but this is just stupid. Obama didn't risk shite!! Had the mission failed, 1 of 2 things would have happened: 1 - no one would have known about the failed mission (most likely) OR 2, he would have blamed everyone else for the failure.
His presidency is about Obamacare and nothing was going to get in the way of that. Whether it turns out good or bad in the long is TBD.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:01 am to Pilot Tiger
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to Michael Moore, it's a failure
he wanted a public option
I agree with your reasoning but a public option will obviously come at some point. You have to crawl before you walk.
And look, I'm not necessarily an Obamacare supporter. But I do think it was an accomplishment to get it passed - and a greater political accomplishment than anything since Reagan has presided over (Soviet Union / Iron Curtain).
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:02 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:02 am to genro
I am no great fan of Obama, but if Michael Moore is disappointed in him then I have to give credit to the President for that.
Looking at the long view, Moore is a blithering moron, Obama will be remembered, for better or for worse, for Obamacare, being the first black President, and the end of the American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He may not be remembered fondly for all of that mind you, but those will likely be what his Presidency hangs its hat on.
Looking at the long view, Moore is a blithering moron, Obama will be remembered, for better or for worse, for Obamacare, being the first black President, and the end of the American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He may not be remembered fondly for all of that mind you, but those will likely be what his Presidency hangs its hat on.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:04 am to Arksulli
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and the end of the American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
You mean the loss of those wars - meaning wars that were, essentially, already won before he took office and he lost them, ala Ford and Vietnam, correct?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:06 am to Wtodd
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Not being a dick but this is just stupid. Obama didn't risk shite!! Had the mission failed, 1 of 2 things would have happened: 1 - no one would have known about the failed mission (most likely) OR 2, he would have blamed everyone else for the failure.
You're CRAZY. We've been hearing about fricking BENGHAZI - a complete non issue - absolutely NONSTOP forever. Fox News won't shut up about it. We've heard about the Bergdhal swap (justifiably) and the beheadings have been blamed on Obama (unjustifiably) and Russia/Ukraine has been blamed on Obama (unjustifiably).
To think that if we had lost 2 choppers full of special ops on a failed raid for UBL and not heard about it is insane. Plus the mission was illegal as hell so there'd have been a lot of political fallout in foreign aspects as well.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:08 am to SirWinston
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I'm not necessarily an Obamacare supporter. But I do think it was an accomplishment to get it passed
1. A completely partisan vote.
2. His party manipulated the shite out of a gutted bill to circumvent the rules.
How was this such a huge accomplishment?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:08 am to Ace Midnight
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You mean the loss of those wars - meaning wars that were, essentially, already won before he took office and he lost them, ala Ford and Vietnam, correct?
That's crazy. Those wars were never anywhere close to being "won".
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:08 am to Paluka
His landslide earned the ability to have the partisan vote. Not his fault. His 2008 campaign was the greatest campaign of the past 2 generations.
Put it this way - Bush's signature goal (privatization option to Soc Security) was far LESS divisive than Obamacare and Bush had an 80% approval rating during the period in question and controlled the House and Senate and STILL couldn't get even a compromised version passed.
Put it this way - Bush's signature goal (privatization option to Soc Security) was far LESS divisive than Obamacare and Bush had an 80% approval rating during the period in question and controlled the House and Senate and STILL couldn't get even a compromised version passed.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:12 am to SirWinston
You don't know the difference between the OBL mission and Benghazi?
The OBL mission was classified & only involved Special Operators after the CIA "thought" they located him.
Benghazi was played out in front of the media and IF the stories about Benghazi are correct (about there being a stand down, then Obama, Hillary and everybody else) need their collective asses put on trial.
See the difference now?
The OBL mission was classified & only involved Special Operators after the CIA "thought" they located him.
Benghazi was played out in front of the media and IF the stories about Benghazi are correct (about there being a stand down, then Obama, Hillary and everybody else) need their collective asses put on trial.
See the difference now?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:13 am to BigJim
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Add in killing OBL.
God I'm tired of this being taunted as an accomplishment of the administration, like he was actively involved in the effort at all.
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