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re: McD's employees storm corp headquarters in protest to unionize
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:13 am to Hawkeye95
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:13 am to Hawkeye95
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I tend to agree with this. BUT, I do think its unethical if corporations hire people to do near full time work, realizing they will have to go to the gov't to be able to survive. All you are doing is shifting the cost of providing those workers from McD to the taxpayer. And that is almost unethical IMHO.
FIFY
I almost agree with you. It's a fine and crappy line, but the employee should know this going in.
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Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:17 am to Hawkeye95
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I do think its unethical if corporations hire people to do near full time work, realizing they will have to go to the gov't to be able to survive.
Solution. Let the government and business work out a formula - the more you pay your employees, the lower the taxes to the business. Feds will still get tax revenue from the higher pay of the employees that they once got from the business.
Everyone's happy except for those making a higher wage who will now pay more taxes while being weaned off the government teat.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:18 am to Hawkeye95
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I tend to agree with this. BUT, I do think its unethical if corporations hire people to do near full time work, realizing they will have to go to the gov't to be able to survive.
That's because you're not supposed to be married w/ kids or baby momma with kids ... and work at fricking McDonald's.
You worked at McD's because your Dad told you to get a fricking job if you wanted a car.
Thee end.
Everybody used to know that.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:19 am to Homesick Tiger
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the more you pay your employees, the lower the taxes to the business
Theoretically that is already happening as higher salaries would lead to higher expenses which would reduce a company's taxable income.
But I get what you're saying and perhaps there should be more tax credits and deductions to companies that pay their employees a living wage.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:24 am to Homesick Tiger
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Solution. Let the government and business work out a formula - the more you pay your employees, the lower the taxes to the business. Feds will still get tax revenue from the higher pay of the employees that they once got from the business.
Everyone's happy except for those making a higher wage who will now pay more taxes while being weaned off the government teat.
That doesn't sound unreasonable to me, but I believe that to be the case already.
I am 100% up for the elimination of the corporate income tax, but we would need to raise capital gains and dividend taxes, plus have some sort of tax on excessive cash reserves.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:24 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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There is a chance this trickles up.
Ahh...no.
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Laugh all you want
OK.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:25 am to navy
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That's because you're not supposed to be married w/ kids or baby momma with kids ... and work at fricking McDonald's.
You worked at McD's because your Dad told you to get a fricking job if you wanted a car.
Unfortunately that's not the new reality. I think I read that the average age of front line fast food workers was around 27.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:25 am to Homesick Tiger
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the more you pay your employees, the lower the taxes to the business.
That is just way to smart for the gov't. Plus those evil corporations need to pay their fair share of taxes.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:27 am to The Spleen
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Unfortunately that's not the new reality. I think I read that the average age of front line fast food workers was around 27.
and why is that the new reality?
the job market sucks (thnaks Obozo)
these kids have either worthless degrees, or are completely uneducated.
They have made poor decisions to date
GUESS WHAT...you fail to set yourself up, your life is gonna suck.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:27 am to navy
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That's because you're not supposed to be married w/ kids or baby momma with kids ... and work at fricking McDonald's.
You worked at McD's because your Dad told you to get a fricking job if you wanted a car.
Thank you
You know what's funny? You don't see this type of thing with say Chic-fil-a or Sonic, but if you notice the type of employees they hire it's mostly high school and college kids. I had a bunch of friends work at Chic-fil-a in college, and not once did they complain about making $7/hr.
But you know what the difference was? They were in college on a path to a better life, therefore they didn't care. I think McDonald's should start looking into that line of thinking. Don't even hire these people that expect Mcd's to fully support them and 3 kids.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:30 am to rintintin
Don't you think McD would do that if they could? 1 nobody wants to fcking work at McD, so in a lot of areas, they will hire anyone who is a US citizen and not a felon.
2 Chik fila does pay more.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:32 am to Cole Beer
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Raise the minimum wage and not only do you score political points, but it also helps the economy. Those people making $10-$15 per hour minimum wage would put that money right back into the economy through purchasing.
You don't seem to understand how it works.
The other half of that equation (the one you clearly don't see) is that prices will go up accordingly. Which hurts the people spending money NOW, who otherwise aren't affected by the rise in minimum wage.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:34 am to The Spleen
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Unfortunately that's not the new reality.
And it's going to get worse. The solution isn't to raise the costs of doing business. The base standard of support we provide to people within our society should be a shared cost; not a cost bore solely by employers. Because employers will go elsewhere or change the way the do business to reduce their costs. Local, fed or state govt need to provide a base wage to everyone. Get rid of food stamps. Get ride of section 8 housing. Get rid of all subsidies. Allow people to make choices. If they can't/won't then make them wards of the state living in compounds. But that is their choice.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:34 am to Hawkeye95
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Organization will be good for fast food workers. It will raise wages, and provide better benefits and a better work environment.
Or mass unemployment, when the employers realize that automation is cheaper and easier to deal with.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:35 am to Cole Beer
First off the corporate CEO's for fast food restaurants don't dictate the wages or who gets a raise. The profits you speak of come from the franchise owners if the individual stores via franchise fees. The individual owners keep the profit from those stores which isn't making millions per year...that owner dictates the wages of his employees and he likely can't afford higher wages.
Corporate could reconstruct all contracts to include a mandatory 15 dollars an hour for all stores, but they'd have to raise meal prices or else the individual owners would close the doors. Then they'd lose the price advantage fast food offers over higher end restaurants...either way it goes a raise would have a negative effect on jobs. Either there would be less stores or they would use machines.
Also corporate has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for shareholders
Corporate could reconstruct all contracts to include a mandatory 15 dollars an hour for all stores, but they'd have to raise meal prices or else the individual owners would close the doors. Then they'd lose the price advantage fast food offers over higher end restaurants...either way it goes a raise would have a negative effect on jobs. Either there would be less stores or they would use machines.
Also corporate has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for shareholders
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:35 am to Godfather1
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Or mass unemployment, when the employers realize that automation is cheaper and easier to deal with.
inevitable.
less than a decade.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:36 am to deltaland
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Corporate could reconstruct all contracts to include a mandatory 15 dollars an hour for all stores, but they'd have to raise meal prices or else the individual owners would close the doors.
Or they could lower their franchise fees.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:37 am to Cole Beer
quote:Could it be that there are more people seeking low end work? You might have heard of that concept in economics known as supply and demand. Maybe the supply of low end workers has increased faster than the demand for them. In the 50's and 60's women were less likely to be part of the workforce. So just adding women to the work force would have increased the supply of people seeking low end work.
Factoring in inflation, low end workers have actually taken a pay cut from say the 50's or 60's. Again, how is this fair?
quote:What is fair? Who defines fair? What other aspects of life require human intervention to make them fair? Is it fair that some people have flawless complexions and others have blemishes? Do you think complexion might have some impact on earnings? Should we mar the skins of those with flawless complexions to make things fair? Why not?
Again, how is this fair?
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:38 am to Cole Beer
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Raise the minimum wage and not only do you score political points, but it also helps the economy. Those people making $10-$15 per hour minimum wage would put that money right back into the economy through purchasing.
Well, once the extra employees get let go, and prices raise to reflect the new "minimum", not really a help to the economy.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:39 am to Lsut81
Does anyone know what their Union dues would be if they were making $15/hr? I bet that would curb their enthusiasm a bit!
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