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re: Mapping Terror Networks: Why Metadata Matters
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:42 pm to Decatur
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:42 pm to Decatur
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Having this would have given them another opportunity to catch it...in that it may not have been absolutely necessary to stop it, it could have been sufficient to stop it.
is this really you own personal justification to support the complete erosion of our civil liberties?
really?
can we apply the same logic to abortion procedures?
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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can we apply the same logic to abortion procedures?
Nicely done
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:43 pm to Jbird
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Well who would judge the effectiveness?
and hell, after listening to D's personal defense of this program, what would even be "effective"?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:46 pm to Decatur
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They missed some things. Having this would have given them another opportunity to catch it...in that it may not have been absolutely necessary to stop it, it could have been sufficient to stop it.
It would have been more hay on the hay stack...they weren't going to see it unless someone told them to see it...no additional amount of random data was going to help considering the very specific data already on hand...and go ahead and listen in on international folks...go ahead and get warrants targeting individuals...but don't use fear to get and justify a general warrant on everyone in the country.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:49 pm to Decatur
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Who is actually fear mongering here? You're the one trying to scare everyone away from the big bad NSA.
I am continually amazed by how many people are okay with this invasion in privacy. IF there was no concern about how it would have been perceived by the public, this program should have been made known at the onset. However, officials (i dont care if they were republican or democrat) knew how most would react. Since they kept it quiet, they were able to write the script to show that the program has been "potentially effective" in disrupting terrorist activity.
While, this exact process of data collection may not be a direct intrusion, its just another start into overreach of the government that will not stop or back up.
Consider privacy like an iceberg. Maybe a little melting really want impact the iceberg, but if you continue to do the things causing the iceberg to melt, at some point, the iceberg well completely melt away. But, hey, maybe iceberg melting isnt a big deal either.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:21 pm to Rex
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And these Republican folks had no problem with it when Bush was doing it.
How could they have a problem with something whose extent was largely unknown until Snowden revealed it?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:24 pm to cwill
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.but don't use fear to get and justify a general warrant on everyone in the country.
Metadata does not rise to level of needing a warrant though. Supreme Court has held this for decades. They wouldn't even need a court order to get it if Congress had not made that requirement in the FAA.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:49 pm to Decatur
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Mapping Terror Networks: Why Metadata Matters
I don't deny that metadata has some potential benefits. Are you willing to closely examine the costs of obtaining that data?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 2:49 pm to Decatur
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Who is actually fear mongering here? You're the one trying to scare everyone away from the big bad NSA.
What's funny, is the same actions you condemned Bush on, you now support Obama on. Hypocrisy, table for 1.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:10 pm to Decatur
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Metadata does not rise to level of needing a warrant though. Supreme Court has held this for decades. They wouldn't even need a court order to get it if Congress had not made that requirement in the FAA.
That is not true...you and the NSA defenders are using a case involving a single individual not everyone...try again.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:11 pm to BugAC
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Hypocrisy, table for 1.
I'm sure there's room for you at that table pal.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:28 pm to Decatur
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Decatur
At it again I see.
Are you linking and pasting the same regulations that are not being followed by the NSA?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:31 pm to Decatur
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Metadata does not rise to level of needing a warrant though
I thought all ISP are required to provide their data to the NSA? Otherwise they would need a warrant to get it from the ISPs. They aren't giving it up freely. In fact didn't one just shut down because they wouldn't let the NSA free reign over the data?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:49 pm to cwill
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That is not true...you and the NSA defenders are using a case involving a single individual not everyone...try again.
I don't think the number of people impacted changes the nature of metadata under third party doctrine
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:50 pm to cwill
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I'm sure there's room for you at that table pal
Ooh, internet tough guy. Please explain. Are you still mad i called you a liberal.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:56 pm to BugAC
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Ooh, internet tough guy. Please explain. Are you still mad i called you a liberal.
I didn't challenge you to a fight, squirrel...I'm just doing what you do.
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